Episode 15

S3E15 - "The Sixteen Year Old Virgin" (featuring Shannon Kelly)

This week on the Non Judging Breakfast Pod, Leif and Steve are back, diving into the tumultuous world of Gossip Girl Season 3, Episode 15, titled "The 16-Year-Old Virgin." As Jenny Humphrey grapples with the weight of losing her virginity, the stakes skyrocket, and the drama unfolds like a classic soap opera—because what’s more riveting than teenage angst and scandal? With Jenny's father, Rufus, imposing strict rules and Serena scheming to protect her, the pressure mounts on our favorite characters like a soufflé in a high-stakes baking competition. Meanwhile, Chuck finds himself entangled in a web of betrayal as Uncle Jack resurfaces, eager to exploit Chuck's vulnerabilities—because who doesn’t love a family reunion that involves manipulation and drama?

Join Leif and Steve, along with returning guest Shannon Kelly, as they dissect the episode's key moments, from Jenny's heart-wrenching decisions to the chaos surrounding Chuck and Blair's relationship. Expect sharp commentary, hilarious banter, and a few eye-rolls as they navigate the tangled relationships and questionable choices that define the Upper East Side. So, grab your breakfast of choice—whether it's a decadent waffle or a simple cup of coffee—and settle in for an episode filled with all the juicy gossip and scandal you crave! Trust us, it’s more entertaining than scrolling through social media.

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Edited and mixed by Leif Capicola.

The Gossip Girl Theme Performed By Steve Marchion.

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Transcript
Shannon:

Uh, I didn't know I was on speakerphone.

Shannon:

It's like, obviously I would never call

Shannon:

you a slut to your face.

Leif:

Hey, Upper east siders, and all you scandal loving listeners out

Leif:

there, you just tuned into the non judging breakfast pod

Leif:

where the coffee is strong, the waffles are

Leif:

fresh, and the gossip is hotter than ever. My name

Leif:

is Leif and I'm, um, your seasoned Gossip Girl veteran.

St:

And I'm Steve. The newbie, the greenhorn,

St:

the. I don't know, Leif. What, uh, am I now that we're in season

St:

three?

Leif:

I'm not sure, but settlements are for the guilty celebrities

Leif:

who run over people. The Catholic church, me, now.

St:

Yeah, but I feel like you settle for me every week, Leaf.

Leif:

True.

St:

So here's the deal, folks. Leaf has been

St:

watching Gossip Girl since it first aired, and I'm diving

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in for the first time. And to get together, we're your dynamic

St:

duo, bringing you all the droma drama,

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romance, and questionable fashion

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choices of this iconic 2007

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series.

Leif:

Bring your magnifying glasses, because each week we're dissecting

Leif:

every juicy detail of the show one episode at a time.

Leif:

We'll connect the dots, uncover those sneaky little Easter

Leif:

eggs, and of course, serve up some piping hot behind the

Leif:

scenes tea. And expect some iconic moments from

Leif:

fandom. Because what's a deep dive without a little drama?

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And since we are all about inclusivity here at the non

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judging breakfast pod, there is always a seat for you

St:

at the non judging breakfast table. So go ahead

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and grab your mimosa or maybe

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some of, uh, Chuck's special medicine or your cup of coffee and

St:

let's get into this.

Leif:

Well, today we're not settling just for you, Steve, because

Leif:

we have a guest.

St:

That we've settled for a couple times.

Leif:

Before she's back for the third time.

Leif:

Shannon Kelly.

Shannon:

Hello. I'm here.

St:

Be funny, Shannon.

Shannon:

Man, I can't. For this episode.

Leif:

Drink more coffee.

Shannon:

Gladly.

Leif:

So, uh, how much Gossip Girl have you watched since

Leif:

you've last been on?

Shannon:

I watched the two episodes prior to this one.

Shannon:

Uh, I did not rewatch all of season three.

Shannon:

I couldn't do it.

Shannon:

Season three is like a dip for me in terms of

Shannon:

entertainment value.

Leif:

I like the college stuff at the beginning, but they

Leif:

phased that out pretty quick, and now we're in the

Leif:

deep part of the soap opera territory. Chuck's

Leif:

mom storyline.

Shannon:

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

St:

Well, and it's funny because I actually remember way

St:

earlier on wishing that we had Shannon on because she's such

St:

a Georgina fan. No, uh, Georgina in the beginning

St:

of this season, I think is awesome.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

I thought that I hated her in season one.

Leif:

The dangina ship.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

In full force.

St:

Yeah. It was

St:

fantastic. I loved that. I

St:

loved her role. End of season two and beginning of season

St:

three, I thought.

Leif:

Yeah. You missed Steve's whole turn to liking

Leif:

Georgina.

Shannon:

Yeah, I did miss that. Uh, that would have been interesting.

St:

I did a 180 complete

St:

180.

Leif:

And it totally makes sense because in, um, season one, I think they

Leif:

were still writing the character, thinking it was going to be Misha Barton.

Shannon:

Yeah, fair enough. It's interesting because I've been

Shannon:

rewatching House recently, and,

Shannon:

like, all the characters of Gossip Girl make little

Shannon:

appearances on there. And, uh, Michelle Trachtenberg

Shannon:

has a whole episode where she's like.

Shannon:

Like, kind of like a bubble boy type of situation where she. Her

Shannon:

parents are like, you're always sick, so stay in your room. Uh, but

Shannon:

then Blair has a little cameo appearance for a few

Shannon:

episodes, and so does Kevin Zieger has an episode as well.

Shannon:

So I just like watching how I was like, gossip Girl. Gossip Girl. Gossip

Shannon:

Girl.

Leif:

Yeah. I've actually. I finally found the Bedford

Leif:

Diaries, which was a Penn Badgley

Leif:

show before the mountain and before Gossip Girl.

Shannon:

Oh, I've not seen that.

Leif:

I'm surprised it didn't get a second season. It also has, uh,

Leif:

Milo Vetimiglia in it.

St:

M. Um.

Leif:

Did you watch One Tree Hill?

Shannon:

Yeah, of course.

Leif:

The actual Derek, not the fake Derek.

Leif:

The black guy is in it. He's a main character in this.

Leif:

Derek Payton's, uh, brother.

Shannon:

Oh, uh, yeah, I forgot about that

Shannon:

storyline.

Leif:

Not psycho Derek, the actual Derek.

Shannon:

Okay. Yeah, yeah,

Shannon:

yeah.

Leif:

I've watched, like, two episodes so far. It's not bad.

Shannon:

You guys do a One Tree Hill podcast after this?

Leif:

Possibly.

Leif:

That's a long one.

Shannon:

Can I be on every episode?

St:

Nine.

Leif:

Nine seasons, yeah. Ah.

St:

And I. Yeah. That is one I have not seen, though.

St:

Is that the religious one?

Leif:

No, uh, it's basketball one.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Oh, okay.

Shannon:

The, like, half brothers from separate sides of the

Shannon:

track.

Leif:

So one more thing before we get started. I was reading Reddit

Leif:

this week, and, uh, there's a thread about people

Leif:

complaining about Chuck Bass's facial expressions.

Leif:

And there's one particular comment that stood out, and I got

Leif:

their permission to use it. It was from user

Leif:

dryice34.

Leif:

Same crying emoji. My boyfriend was

Leif:

like, why is this MF always whispering and

Leif:

shaping his mouth like a butthole? Lmao.

Leif:

Ah, Cry emoji. Cry

Leif:

emoji. Cry emoji. I haven't unseen it since.

St:

Oh, no, I will never unsee

St:

that.

Shannon:

Yeah, it is like the pursed parted

Shannon:

lips.

St:

The whole lips.

Shannon:

Oh, no.

St:

Yeah, I thought that was awesome. Chug bass.

Leif:

Passes an ass.

Shannon:

Good.

Leif:

And, uh, we are here to talk about season three,

Leif:

episode 15, the 16

Leif:

year old virgin original air

Leif:

dates March 22, 2010 and

Leif:

obviously based on the movie, the 40 year old

Leif:

version.

St:

Yeah. Uh, would have just come out. I think that came out in

St:

07.0505.

Leif:

Yes.

St:

Right. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.

Leif:

That was kind of Judd Apatow's first big break. Yeah, he already done

Leif:

Freaks and Geeks, but that was obviously not that bad because it got canceled.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Biggest trend to me.

St:

Oh, I do a Freaks. And I love Freaks and Geeks. Yeah.

Leif:

And then he also did Undeclared right after that, which is also good.

St:

Uh, yeah, Undeclared. I really liked a lot of

St:

it. I hated when they did like, fraternity stuff because.

St:

But I always get cringy whenever they do fraternity eternity

St:

stuff because it's so over the top.

Leif:

But this episode was written once again by

Leif:

Layla Gerstein. M. Previously wrote

Leif:

Southern Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Rufus

Leif:

Getting Married, and the Last Days of the Disco Stick just a few episodes

Leif:

ago. Yeah.

St:

Yeah.

St:

I mean, the Last Days of the Disco Stick has so

St:

far my favorite opening scene

St:

of Gossip Girl. Because it's right after the threesome. Uh,

St:

and so Dan's like, walking down the street, high fiving

St:

strangers. Yeah. The spin move.

St:

High five. Best.

St:

Best cold. No, not cold open, but best opening

St:

scene.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

Episode directed by Wendy

Leif:

Stanzler is her first and only episode of the

Leif:

show. But 79 different shows she's

Leif:

directed on.

St:

Wow.

Shannon:

Geez.

Leif:

Including Glee, Grey's Anatomy, Sex and the City,

Leif:

Dollhouse, and a whole bunch of other stuff.

St:

Wow. So she knows her way around tv.

Leif:

Yes.

St:

And clearly gets hired.

Leif:

Mhm.

St:

Which I have no complaints on the directing.

Leif:

I don't think in this one, directing was

Leif:

fine.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Steve, why don't you give us that vulture recap?

St:

All right. The expected loss of a

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16 year old Jenny Humphrey's virginity was the

St:

centerpiece of last night's episode of Gossip Girl.

St:

As with most small inbred cultures, the

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deflowering of this Upper east sider

St:

cumbrooklinite became something

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of a community affair.

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Jenny's father, her stepmother, her

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brother, and Nate all weighed in with their thoughts about

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the emotional and physical consequences such an

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act might have. Stepsister Serena

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directed the younger girl toward a, uh, Patrick Swayze

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movie for sex tips. And we're sure that

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where and uh, we're sure that were Dorota

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and Vanya around, they would have ordered advice

St:

on pregnancy protection. None of

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this, in the end, was needed. Damian

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turned out to be a callous and unworthy suitor,

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and Jenny was left not broken

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hymened, but brokenhearted.

Shannon:

Not broken hymen.

St:

But this sad little story seemed

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indeed like kid stuff compared to the

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metaphorical screwing that was going on elsewhere.

St:

Clearly, Lily is still doing something

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untoward behind Rufus back. And

St:

Chuck's mother and Jack Bass

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are apparently planning to double team Chuck

St:

in a betrayal of, um, epic proportions.

St:

And so it was that we realized it's not really

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the people you let into your vagina that can hurt

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you. It's the people you let into your heart.

Leif:

Uh. Oh, vulture.

St:

Oh, vulture.

Shannon:

Yeah, that's good. That's a good recap because, uh, I

Shannon:

feel like, true, the whole

Shannon:

idea of her losing her virginity was so.

Shannon:

It pales in comparison to the other stuff going on

Shannon:

in this episode. But we'll get into that.

Leif:

But it was by far the best story, I thought.

Leif:

Well, yeah, the best plot thread.

Shannon:

Mhm.

Leif:

I mean, I don't really like how it turned out, but

Leif:

yeah, as far as entertaining tv. Okay,

Leif:

so we move into act one.

Leif:

We get a Gossip Girl monologue

Leif:

from the day he brings his new birth girl home. A

Leif:

father lives in fear that someday she'll get

Leif:

hurt, that someday she'll hate him, and

Leif:

worst of all, that someday she'll grow up.

Shannon:

That's such an eye roll of a quote. Like I

Shannon:

hate this trope of like daddy does

Shannon:

what is girl to fuck? Like, I

Shannon:

just hate it so bad in this episode.

St:

And I'll say like as, as a girl dad, right? I have

St:

an 18 year old daughter and when, when she was

St:

14 and lived with us, I had

St:

the conversation with her of you'll know

St:

when you are ready. Yeah, you

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be safe. Be respectful. Be safe

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with, with your partner. Be safe and

St:

respectful to yourself and respectful to your. Toward your

St:

partner. Whoever it may, will

St:

never talk about this again.

St:

You know, it was this, you know, I, it was, uh,

St:

we're. I, I'm going to have

St:

this conversation because I'm not

St:

ignorant to the fact that my daughter

St:

is growing up and is not

St:

the little girl who picked

St:

that flower years ago and is in that picture that

St:

she is now at this point even

St:

an 18 year old. So of course she's making her

St:

own decisions. And

St:

I am appalled by the dads that police

St:

their daughter's vaginas.

Shannon:

It's really creepy.

St:

It's so creepy.

Shannon:

Yeah. The, uh, aggressive safeguarding of

Shannon:

Jenny's virginity. And this episode

Shannon:

is so unnerving. Um. Yes.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

It's just such a throwback to the daughter

Leif:

is a property.

Shannon:

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

St:

Exactly. And you can't

St:

sell damaged goods. Like,

St:

if we're really looking at the origins of these

St:

feelings that dads have towards their daughters, that's

St:

where. Why we were taught these things.

Leif:

So we open with Jenny is leaving the law for school, and

Leif:

things are extremely tense between her and Rufus

Leif:

as she closes the front door behind her. She

Leif:

shakes out her hair and undoes the buttons on the top of her

Leif:

blouse and calls the town car to take her to the Smith

Leif:

Hotel.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Nice little, like, slow motion. Hair comes

Shannon:

down. I was like, this is very dramatic for, like, she

Shannon:

just put her hair down.

St:

Yeah. And. And again, when

St:

we're talking about Rufus being such a dumb ass that

St:

Jenny is being punished because she ran

St:

out that one night and she snuck out, but she came home.

St:

Right. So she wasn't that

St:

super out of line. I get being in a little bit of trouble,

St:

but. But he's being a huge asshole about.

Shannon:

Yeah, he's right off the bat. Yeah, he. He

Shannon:

constantly is with her.

St:

Yeah, you're going to have. You're going to have lunch with

St:

Headmistress Queller every day. Was that this scene or not? Later.

Leif:

It's later.

St:

Okay, think.

Shannon:

In this scene, he is kind of like, it's school, home. School, home,

Shannon:

school, home.

St:

Jenny says it, but, like, I get it, dad. It's

St:

school, home, school, home. Um, but exactly.

Leif:

Blair is on the phone with Elizabeth, making plans

Leif:

to spend some time with her and Chuck. As Chuck enters the

Leif:

suite, Blair hangs up the phone and Chuck announces that he

Leif:

is being sued by several Empire staff members for

Leif:

sexual harassment. Chuck insists that he

Leif:

doesn't do that kind of thing anymore.

Leif:

Blair wants to fight the woman in court, but

Leif:

Chuck plans to settle out of court.

Shannon:

Yeah, the idea of, like, Ed Westwick playing a

Shannon:

character with false accusations.

St:

Now.

Leif:

We'Re thinking, no, it didn't happen until after the show is.

St:

Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I thought.

Leif:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Gave him the idea.

Leif:

Yeah.

St:

Hey, can we write this in real quick just so that I can point

St:

to it when I'm getting sued, which.

Leif:

You know, there's a chance the writers did know about it because they,

Leif:

like. Like we did in the last episode. They're definitely

Leif:

poking fun at, uh, you know, that. Weinstein.

Leif:

Harvey Weinstein.

St:

For sure.

Shannon:

For sure.

Leif:

Did you catch that on the last episode?

Shannon:

I didn't realize because, like, I'm so

Shannon:

clueless in terms of, like, when these episodes airing and,

Shannon:

like, what was going on at that time, if that makes sense.

Leif:

It was completely unknown. Well, I mean, it wasn't completely unknown. It

Leif:

was known to people, like, within that

Leif:

community. Yeah. They're like, you know, listen to blind items and stuff like that.

Leif:

But it was not. Because pre. Me too. And.

Leif:

But yeah. So the character. One of the NYU

Leif:

characters is Willow Weinstein. And it was implied that

Leif:

her, uh. She's related to someone powerful in

Leif:

Hollywood and she's very inappropriate.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

And yes, she's shown her

Leif:

sexually without giving.

Leif:

Here, look at my sex tape. Without any

Leif:

foreknowledge.

St:

And also wrote, like, a raunchy sex

St:

play.

Leif:

Yeah, but that.

St:

I mean, that's very college humor, though.

Leif:

Yeah. It was a.

St:

What?

Leif:

Not burlesque, but cabernet.

St:

Cabaret.

Leif:

Yeah, cabaret. Lily

Leif:

stops by the loft under the premise of being worried

Leif:

about Jenny, but really she wants to talk about

Leif:

Holland. However, before she can,

Leif:

Rufus gets a call from Queller letting him know that Jenny has

Leif:

been skipping classes all week.

Shannon:

I hate his line in the scene. It was like the. The

Shannon:

Hulk was furious. And Jed. There's no word

Shannon:

for what Jenny is like, what does that mean? I

Shannon:

don't like.

St:

And I love how he's like, no, she's really mad. And it's

St:

like, why Rufus?

Shannon:

Yeah, right.

St:

Why is she really.

Shannon:

It's like. And he's acting like she's, like, so

Shannon:

overreacting. And it's like, she's been pretty, like,

Shannon:

even tempered.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

I think she accepts her.

Shannon:

She's annoyed more than furious

Shannon:

for.

St:

For the knowledge that Rufus

St:

has. This kid really

St:

isn't. Hasn't done anything to seem

St:

like a bad kid. Like, he brought these drugs over

St:

because he panicked and didn't know what to do. That's the story

St:

he gave.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

That Rufus seemed to accept the story.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

So it's. So, yes, we

St:

learned Damien is a creep. And yes.

St:

Automatic feeder.

St:

Sorry.

Leif:

Cat needs to be fed.

St:

Cat needs to be fed. Sorry about that.

Shannon:

Right. Okay. M. The Damian seat. Like, he seemed to buy

Shannon:

Damian's story.

St:

Uh, yeah. And Damian really, on the

St:

surface right now, isn't

St:

a bad guy.

Shannon:

Yeah. And especially the way, like, he interacted with the parents.

Shannon:

Like, that is, like, he was very respectful in the way

Shannon:

he spoke in the last episode. And, like, a

Shannon:

very direct.

St:

And he fall for Jenny and

St:

stepped up with that and all

St:

of those things. So I just feel like

St:

Rufus being like, wow, yeah, Jenny sure is

St:

mad. But yeah, Rufus. Cause you

St:

overreacted again

St:

to something that Jenny did. Mhm. And

St:

yeah, it's. It also kind of really

St:

pisses me off that he was kind of right

St:

about him too.

Shannon:

Yeah, you know, me too.

St:

I really hate when this show

St:

rewards people for dumb,

St:

bad, stupid behavior.

Leif:

We'll get to it at the end there. But I thought that ending was

Leif:

bad characterization and bad writing.

Shannon:

Yeah. Um, I agree. I agree 100%. I

Shannon:

like, I do have that, like, note for later, and I feel like.

St:

I felt like his contract was up.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

And yeah, also, this is where we learned that the

St:

party of the week is in honors for

St:

Bart Bass.

Shannon:

Oh, yeah.

Leif:

The New York Historical Society.

St:

Yes.

Leif:

Nate and Serena are just wrapping up sexy time.

Leif:

Serena gets a text from Rufus, who is worried about

Leif:

Jenny is with Damien. Serena then

Leif:

educates Nate on the appeal of bad boys and both want to

Leif:

protect Jenny from Damien.

Shannon:

Every time I see Serena and Nate together, I think about.

Shannon:

You're like the one time leaf. I remember you

Shannon:

saying, uh, just two golden retrievers.

Shannon:

Like, oh, those two golden retrievers going at it.

St:

And it really is. What I've been saying for the past

St:

few episodes is I love them as a

St:

couple. They just need to be handcuffed together

St:

at all times so neither of them

St:

can see another pretty person

St:

and run off with them.

Shannon:

Uh, but Serena makes the point in this scene that

Shannon:

Rufus is driving Jenny into

Shannon:

Damian's arms, which, like. Yes, exactly.

Shannon:

That is correct.

St:

Oh, yeah, 100%.

Leif:

Dan and Vanessa are also getting hot and heavy in

Leif:

Vanessa's dorm room. They too are interrupted by a

Leif:

call from Rufus.

St:

Oh, it's the keep it casual episode.

Shannon:

Yeah. My only note for this scene was Dan and Vanessa.

Shannon:

Ew.

Leif:

Yeah. So I. I was surprisingly

Leif:

like them in the last episode. I thought the chemistry was really good. And

Leif:

I like, I liked a bit about Vanessa being scared,

Leif:

but yeah, it was gone this episode.

Leif:

I'm already bored.

Shannon:

I like this. The, like, the little

Shannon:

relationship that they created in the last episode

Shannon:

with. With the girl like Michelle or what was her name?

Shannon:

Melissa. And then like. Yeah. And the. And

Shannon:

Paul. It's like, oh, that's funny if like those two get

Shannon:

together. But

Shannon:

yeah. I just don't care for Dan and Vanessa as a

Shannon:

couple. I don't. It doesn't interest me.

Shannon:

It doesn't like. I don't believe it.

Leif:

Well, my biggest problem is that it splits the cast up.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

It, you know, there. Dan and Vanessa. No. Have

Leif:

no reason to be.

Shannon:

Yeah, it truly is. They're just like team Brooklyn in

Shannon:

Brooklyn and stay there. Yeah.

Leif:

But I did I did enjoy the chemistry in the last episode

Leif:

when they were behind the little photo thing.

Shannon:

Yeah, fair.

Leif:

It got pretty hot there.

St:

But my, my notes on Dan and Vanessa for the

St:

past several episodes have mostly been.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Things are also heating up between Jenny and Damian in

Leif:

a hotel room. However, Jenny pulls away before things

Leif:

get NC17. Damian points out the

Leif:

pattern of Jenny leaving right when things are moving towards sex.

Leif:

Jenny insists she's not a virgin but likes to take her time.

Leif:

Damien convinces her to make a sex date for

Leif:

tonight.

Shannon:

Sex date. Every time I see Kevin Zieger's like the

Shannon:

very first thought I have is just air bud. I just

Shannon:

always think like, air bud.

Leif:

Air Bud.

Shannon:

Airbud.

Leif:

I remember he was also in a small delta. He was in an upset.

Leif:

Um, he was a freak of the week.

St:

He does like oh, early. Right. Wasn't that

St:

like three or four? Maybe M. Three or four. Yeah, I think I remember that.

Shannon:

I did. He was like in Fear the Walking Dead and also

Shannon:

dawn of uh, the Dead Red. So I feel like he's done some

Shannon:

like zombie horror stuff too. But it's just, I

Shannon:

don't know, every time I see him I just think like, that's the boy

Shannon:

did air Bud. He always plays

Shannon:

like a bad boy too.

St:

And, and in this scene I didn't

St:

think that especially the first part of what he says. I

St:

don't think he's out of line.

Shannon:

No. He sits super reasonable on that scene and like

Shannon:

he's speaking with.

St:

When I'm dating someone, I, I expect this to be

St:

part of the equation.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

And so please talk to me about it and what's

St:

going on.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Now at the end when he's like,

St:

so tonight, right?

Shannon:

No rush. No, no rush.

St:

No rush. But tonight. But we're going to do it tonight.

St:

No rush.

Shannon:

My only note for like Jenny in this episode or like

Shannon:

in the scene is like if you're not ready

Shannon:

to tell somebody that you're a virgin, you're

Shannon:

probably not ready to lose your virginity to that person.

Leif:

Definitely at risk.

St:

Yes. Although how many 16 year old

St:

girls really know that?

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

You know like you're at uh. You are 100%

St:

correct. And yeah.

Leif:

Uh, Gossip Girl takes us to the first act break.

Leif:

There's always a moment a father can't let himself

Leif:

fear. The day his little J decides to

Leif:

lose her big B.

St:

It's terrible.

Leif:

So silly. And uh, we

Leif:

move into Act 2. Chuck and Blair and

Leif:

Elizabeth are walking down the street. Elizabeth

Leif:

accepts Chuck's invitation to the Historical Society

Leif:

gala. The trio are interrupted by a News

Leif:

crew that runs up asking Chuck to make a statement about

Leif:

the sexual harassment accusations.

Leif:

Chuck is embarrassed for his mother to see this and

Leif:

ushers her and Blair inside. Before Chuck can

Leif:

also get away, he gets a call from Jack giving

Leif:

him a good idea who is behind the accusations.

Shannon:

I like Jack in this episode.

St:

Yeah, I think he looks terrible. Uh, his hair

St:

is ridiculous.

Shannon:

He's just entertaining. And I feel like there was not a lot

Shannon:

entertaining in this episode, but he was.

St:

Jack isn't entertaining.

Leif:

I like a good villain. Let's just hope they don't try to redeem him

Leif:

like they did with Chuck and Chuck. Harder.

St:

Yeah. Um,

St:

I also. I was a

St:

little surprised that Evelyn is still

St:

here.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Because remember, uh, my prediction at the end

St:

of last week is we're never going to see her again. Like, oh, plotline

St:

resolved. She's gone. Sort of like Scott.

St:

I thought she was going to be another Scott, where it's like,

St:

we're going to be best friends and family. From M.

St:

Now on. Ghosted.

Leif:

Nope, she's still here, unfortunately.

St:

Yeah, yeah, let's, uh. God

St:

damn it.

Shannon:

Chuck has a mom, and her name is Lily.

St:

Thank you.

Leif:

Back at the loft, Rufus and Lily are binding over

Leif:

parenting. Rufus turns down Lily's invitation to the

Leif:

gala and instead calls Serena again. Lily leaves

Leif:

the scarf from last week on the table for Rufus to find.

Shannon:

Rufus, grow the floor up. Like, I don't want to celebrate

Shannon:

your dead husband right now. It's like, he's

Shannon:

dead. Like, off.

St:

Yeah, dude.

Leif:

I mean, I kind of get that because she had just cheated with her other

Leif:

ex husband.

Steve:

Yeah.

Shannon:

But, like, in my. And she has the

Shannon:

scarf, so.

St:

Yeah, well, and. And Rufus just can't

St:

get out of his own way, though.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Is his big problem is that, like, he.

St:

All of Rufus's problems are

St:

problems Rufus creates.

Leif:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Yeah, I agree with that.

Leif:

But you to Rufus on his parenting of Jenny and

Leif:

this because. Oh, I. I. When am I gonna see my little

Leif:

girl again?

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

They grow up. And. And if you

St:

can't handle that, you're not

St:

a good parent. The goal of parenting

St:

isn't to. There's this idea

St:

that parenting is all about protecting

St:

your kids at all times, but no, it's teaching them how to be

St:

a person. Yeah, it's teaching them. And it

St:

involves protecting them sometimes, but

St:

really involves picking them up

St:

when they up.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

And if you never let your kids up, then they

St:

never learn how to deal with up.

Shannon:

Yeah, exactly. I feel like Rufus, too. It's just the

Shannon:

way that he speaks. Like, he's just like, he's such a

Shannon:

child. Like, he just. He's so passive aggressive.

Shannon:

And, like, it's, uh. Like, I get that you're frustrated, and I get that you're

Shannon:

unhappy about xyz, but, like, he's just makes little,

Shannon:

like, digs when he's in a bad mood. And

Shannon:

it's so annoying to watch. You're like. You're a grown

Shannon:

man, supposedly.

St:

Act like.

Leif:

Speaking of Serena, she and Jenny are having a little girl time

Leif:

and eating froyo. Serena emphasizes the

Leif:

importance of a younger woman's first time and wishes she

Leif:

had waited for someone better. Waited to Shakura

Leif:

boyfriend. S. It's just about then that

Leif:

Nate also walks in and Serena hands off mentor duties to

Leif:

him.

Shannon:

This scene was such, like, a

Shannon:

quick decline for me. Like, it started out I

Shannon:

was like, oh, thank God. Like, Jenny has someone

Shannon:

she can talk to and, like, and I'm glad that it's like, a

Shannon:

girl who's, you know, um, like, just about her age,

Shannon:

and it's like, they can have this, like, nice, honest

Shannon:

conversation. And then Serena

Shannon:

just dips into, like, the thing about your virginity

Shannon:

is once she loves you can never get it back. And m.

Shannon:

It just, like, it just skydives from there. It just nose

Shannon:

dives into bad from there. And I'm like.

Leif:

And then.

Shannon:

Yeah. What is with Serena's comment? Like,

Shannon:

I'm like, didn't she lose it to Nathan, like, who she's

Shannon:

with?

St:

Well, no, we, uh, we don't know that she lost it to

St:

him. We. He lost it to her.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

But there it was implied that she had lost it.

Shannon:

Oh. Prior. Uh, okay.

Leif:

But she hasn't. She. It was Nate. It was

Leif:

spoilers. So really, if that

Leif:

hasn't been real, I'm spoiling it now.

St:

Oh, okay.

Leif:

It was Nate.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

That was so confused. I was watching it, and I was like, I'm pretty

Shannon:

sure she lost it to Nate, so I don't get, like, why

Shannon:

she's, like, saying that.

Leif:

Because she also talks like, I ran away afterwards because, you know,

Leif:

it wasn't.

Shannon:

Yeah. I feel like it's so sad that Jenny doesn't have a single

Shannon:

character in this episode telling her, like,

Shannon:

you know what? This isn't the biggest deal ever. Like,

Shannon:

if you want to make it special, like, you want to wait for, uh,

Shannon:

someone, like, a different time, a different, different person that, like, that's

Shannon:

entirely your call. But, like, when you lose your virginity, that's

Shannon:

one time. Like, you're gonna have so many more.

St:

Times that are probably going to be more special.

Leif:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Like, don't put this much pressure on lose like,

Shannon:

oh, you can never get it back. Like, who

Shannon:

cares? Stop making this the biggest

Shannon:

deal ever.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Uh, yeah. This would have been a great time to

Leif:

use Vanessa.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Yes. Yeah. Vanessa.

Leif:

We established they are good friends and.

St:

Could have really been a good big sister.

Shannon:

Yeah. Yeah.

St:

Whoops.

Shannon:

But she's too busy fucking Dan. Who, like

Shannon:

Rufus doesn't care about that at all.

St:

Yeah, right. Dan can fuck. He's a boy.

Shannon:

Yeah, Dan can fuck.

Leif:

I love the Chetty does call out that double standard later.

St:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

Chuck is going over some paperwork at the bar when he's approached

Leif:

by Uncle Jack. Jack claims he had nothing to do with the

Leif:

lawsuits and that uh, he is here to protect Chuck.

Leif:

Jack also says he saw Evelyn's body in the

Leif:

casket and whoever, uh, Elizabeth is, she can't be

Leif:

his mother.

Shannon:

Love it.

St:

Yeah, I love that. I loved it.

St:

Um, one thing that we didn't address in the

St:

previous scene was Serena handing

St:

Jenny over to Nate to commemorate the special

St:

day. Go out to lunch with my

St:

boyfriend who you dated.

Shannon:

Yeah, yeah. He was like, oh, yeah, I'll take you for

Shannon:

whatever want. Like, what are you in the mood for? It's like. This is

Shannon:

weird.

St:

It's so weird.

Shannon:

Hey, the weirdest handoff.

St:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leif:

They. They totally changed their. The dynamic between Nate

Leif:

and Jenny in this season. Like now he's like full on big

Leif:

brother mode.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

But yeah, in this, in this next scene, I do, uh,

Shannon:

I like that. Blair establishes Jack's

Shannon:

monster class as oo.

Leif:

Yeah. As Jack is leaving, he bumps into Blair

Leif:

who also suspects he is behind the lawsuit. Jack

Leif:

once again denies it and makes a creepy

Leif:

inference to him having had sex with Blair.

Shannon:

Yeah. But honestly, it's a good, like he has some

Shannon:

great lines.

Leif:

Yeah, it's great.

St:

Yeah. Jack, I, uh. Jack

St:

owned this episode. Every, everything

St:

he did, just strategy and lot. His

St:

lines were great.

Shannon:

The pleasure is yours.

St:

Yeah. So gross. Does

St:

Chuck know that they bang?

Leif:

Yes. That came out season finale of

Leif:

season two.

St:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

When a gospel girl is just dropping everything.

Shannon:

Yeah, I like the like the, the question of

Shannon:

like. Yeah, this scene leaves a lot of open

Shannon:

ended questions that makes this episode more interesting

Shannon:

for me because this idea of like, okay, like, is

Shannon:

this Chuck's m. Mother? Like did his mom die? And then

Shannon:

also like, did Jack start the rumors? If not like, who

Shannon:

else is out to get Chuck? And yeah, it's just like an

Shannon:

interesting, like, oh, I want to find

Shannon:

answers now.

St:

Um, I feel like Jack

St:

is almost the

St:

lawful evil type to

St:

not come in lying about setting

St:

him up. When Jack said, I didn't do

St:

this.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

I believed him. And my mind instantly

St:

went to Evelyn.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Instantly. It was like, Jack

St:

is really defensive about this.

St:

And Jack is really has that attitude of

St:

like, I had nothing to do with this.

Shannon:

Yeah. And even him saying, like, whoever did is smarter than me.

St:

Yeah. Yeah. Like I, I

St:

believed him instantly because I, I feel like

St:

that I, I feel like

St:

he would do something like this, but I feel like he'd

St:

brag about it if he did it.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

I feel like he would have owned it to Chuck

St:

or, or at least not

St:

answered directly.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

And so when that happened, it's like, well, who else would be out to get Chuck?

St:

Evelyn. Mhm.

Leif:

Well, I mean, they are all in together, but I still think this is all

Leif:

Jack's plan. He was just working Chuck the

Leif:

whole episode.

St:

I, I, I, Oh, I don't, I agree on that.

St:

But I don't believe Jack called

St:

the women. Um, that Jack said. I think Jack

St:

pulled the strings to have

St:

Evelyn do the things, if

St:

that makes sense.

Leif:

I think it's just planned. She doesn't seem very

Leif:

capable to me.

St:

Well, right. I, I get that.

St:

I'm. Yeah, I think he's behind it. I

St:

think he's the mastermind, but I don't think he pulled the trigger.

St:

Yeah, they both suck.

Leif:

Serena is setting up a romantic lunch at the

Leif:

penthouse while on the phone with Nate. She explains her

Leif:

plan to Nate as he stepped away from his lunch with Jenny.

Leif:

Serena's plan is to entrap Damien and have Nate and

Leif:

Jenny catch him in the act. Nate thinks it would be best just to

Leif:

call Rufus, but Serena just bulldozes over him.

Shannon:

Oh, Serena. It's such a stupid,

Shannon:

like, plan. It's, it's like if anything, you're

Shannon:

just, if this works, you're just hurting Jenny. You're

Shannon:

creating a weird, like, now dynamic

Shannon:

between you and Jenny as well. And also like, oh, uh,

Shannon:

just give me exactly 45 minutes.

St:

Yeah, yeah.

Leif:

She's that confident in her.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Which normally she would be.

St:

Right?

Shannon:

Like, give me exactly 45 minutes and then you walk in

Shannon:

at that exact.

St:

Moment, which implies she's done this before.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Like she knows she's got her time down. Yeah.

Shannon:

Yeah. Such an annoying little scheme.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

So unnecessary.

St:

Dumbest idea.

Leif:

Dan is back in the loft getting the, the Jenny

Leif:

scoop from Rufus. Rufus knows he's seeing someone

Leif:

new. Just before Dan can let the cat out of the bag,

Leif:

Vanessa shows up. Because of course, Rufus called Vanessa

Leif:

and it's time to circle the wagons.

Shannon:

She's like family.

St:

Vanessa is not my sister.

Shannon:

She loves its incest.

St:

She's a friend. She's a classmate. Yeah, it really does

St:

love its inc.

Shannon:

Like, Dan, you will never not be your sister.

St:

Yeah, where's the Danny

St:

relationship? The. The. The Dan,

St:

Jenny? Because even Nate

St:

and Jenny were, like, at the time,

St:

living together.

Leif:

Rufus takes a call and walks into the other room.

Leif:

Vanessa goes in for the kiss, but Dan pulls back and goes

Leif:

into a ridiculous ramble about friends only zones and

Leif:

friends with benefit zones. Even he realizes it's a

Leif:

bit confusing, so he's going to make her a map.

Leif:

Vanessa is unsurprisingly annoyed.

St:

The friend. The map cracked me up.

St:

Um, when she's like. When she's like. When we're sitting

St:

on the subway at opposite ends of the car and he's like, still gonna

St:

make a map. That really

St:

cracked me up. As much as I hate the, uh,

St:

Friends with Benefits storyline, you know, we've

St:

seen it in so many Friends did it.

St:

I'm sure Simpsons did it.

St:

I just. I hated this storyline

St:

because I'm so. I. I knew. And it's

St:

like, we knew it had to happen, too, because they set it up last

St:

episode that it had to be this

St:

stupid.

Leif:

Serena is having a candlelit lunch with Damien, who

Leif:

apologizes for his behavior at the state dinner.

Leif:

Serena lies and says, but, um,

Leif:

Nate and I are over. I have no feelings for

Leif:

him anymore. Serena then leans about

Leif:

70 of the way in for the kiss, but Damien backs off and

Leif:

states that he really likes Jenny.

Shannon:

I love Damien in the scene, though. Absolutely loved it.

St:

Serena's just such a dumb narcissist.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Like, oh, this guy tried to. This guy tried to make a

St:

move on me once. I'll definitely steal him away from

St:

my little sister.

Shannon:

There are two times, like, what was delivered in this episode,

Shannon:

and I really liked it. And this was the first time. It was just really

Shannon:

funny for him to be like, oh, I actually really like Jenny

Shannon:

and. What?

Leif:

Nate is, uh, still out with Jenny, who is starting to become

Leif:

bored. Nate ignores a call from Serena. As he

Leif:

stalls long enough for Rufus to show up,

Leif:

Jenny gives Nate a betrayed look.

Shannon:

I hate the chastity belt line.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah. Gossip

Leif:

Girls line is,

Leif:

oh, uh, looks like this virgin queen's next

Leif:

accessory may be a chastity belt.

St:

In. In the

St:

morality of Gossip Girl. I do

St:

think that I like that Nate does the. Everyone's looking

St:

for Jenny. I'm gonna call her dad.

Shannon:

Yeah. Definitely didn't go with his plan.

Leif:

Yeah, it's definitely much better to plan Serena's.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Serena's plan is horrible. And Nate did. I

St:

really feel Nate did the right thing. This girl's

St:

parents are looking.

Leif:

Skipping school.

St:

Or skipping school.

Shannon:

And she got two desserts, so.

St:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

St:

She's well fed and can go home with her

St:

dad now.

Leif:

It was Manhattan, so that coffee was probably, like, 11 bucks.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

No free refills.

Leif:

We move into act three. Back in Brooklyn.

Leif:

Rufus is laying down Jenny's new marching orders.

Leif:

Jenny takes a shot at Rufus in marriage and storms off.

Leif:

Rufus finally notices the scarf.

St:

Rufus is being a bad dad. Uh, again.

St:

Again.

Leif:

Yeah. So this is where we get the. Her new rules are

Leif:

Ruis will escort her to and from school.

Leif:

Weller will have her escorted between classes

Leif:

and lunch in Queller's office.

Leif:

Get a job, Rufus. You have way too much time on your hands.

St:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you doing?

Leif:

Or maybe at least get some couples counseling with your wife.

Shannon:

Yeah, uh, yeah.

Shannon:

Seriously, focus on your relationship.

Leif:

And not just, yes,

Leif:

we talked about this last time. But just

Leif:

as they're about to, like, really get together,

Leif:

Rufus sold his gallery and no longer had a job,

Leif:

so now he is just a trophy husband.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Which was pointed out on a previous episode with

St:

Holland. When he met Holland.

Leif:

I don't see you coming and going much. You're just there.

Leif:

Elizabeth brings home a new purple tie to wear to the

Leif:

gala. Elizabeth finds out about Jack potentially

Leif:

showing up at the party and decides she can't go.

Leif:

Chuck asks her to stay for a drink instead.

Leif:

Uh, yeah. This set up for the DNA test later.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

But also her being like, oh, Jack's gonna

St:

be there. I don't think I'm gonna go.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Is.

Leif:

Even before that, she was acting weird. Like, the whole line about. Like,

Leif:

about Bart liking purple. She's like, oh, maybe he's just

Leif:

fucking with people.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Yeah.

Shannon:

I didn't get that.

Leif:

I was really weird.

Shannon:

Oh, like, I think he just told you that I was

Shannon:

m. Like, I don't get it. You just said

Shannon:

it was his favorite color.

St:

Yeah, and I wear it because he loathes it. And it's like, oh, maybe

St:

he just told you he hates it to mess with you. So that.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

St:

And. And, uh, later on, Chuck

St:

does say, like, she doesn't know stuff about my dad.

St:

Yeah, He. When he's. When he wants to get that. When he.

St:

We. When we see the DNA

St:

bag, he's like,

St:

yeah, I. She doesn't know stuff about

St:

him.

Leif:

I. I wonder if in the script or the director was

Leif:

telling the actress act awkward

Leif:

like, act like you're hiding something.

Shannon:

I don't know. I kind of think the actress just awkward.

St:

Yeah. I mean, she's such a soap opera actor

St:

that I don't feel like I read much from her

St:

other than just high drama.

Shannon:

Yeah. Also just the. Like, the storyline, it's

Shannon:

kind of terrible. Yeah, it's terrible. Like, there is no reason

Shannon:

to bring a question as to, like,

Shannon:

Chuck's. Like, Chuck's mom should just be dead.

Shannon:

It was a better, like, character arc

Shannon:

for him than this.

Leif:

Blair and Serena are getting ready and discussing Chuck when

Leif:

Blair gets a call from Nate. Blair puts Nate

Leif:

on speakerphone, so she continue applying her makeup. Nate

Leif:

then proceeds to slut shame Serena, who snatches

Leif:

the phone up and gives Nate a piece of her mind.

Shannon:

This is the scene where I realized even the

Shannon:

characters are bored with this episode.

Shannon:

When she picks the phone up and acts all indignant.

Leif:

It seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Shannon:

He's just like, uh, I didn't know I was on

Shannon:

speakerphone. Is like, obviously, I would

Shannon:

never call you a slut to your face.

Shannon:

Well, my.

St:

My other problem with this, though.

St:

Serena is mad at Nate for

St:

saying exactly what Serena said

St:

to Jenny earlier in the

St:

episode. Like, it's very special. You don't want

St:

to do what I did. You don't want it to be

St:

like I had.

Leif:

Well, he was implying that she didn't understand that.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Uh, but. And then also, I liked in the beginning where he's talking

Leif:

to Blair, so it seemed like a peripheral. Reasonably to me.

Leif:

That's what Blair says.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Because it's a Blair water nut job plan.

St:

Yeah. Speaking of things we've both shared,

St:

I've really enjoyed

St:

Nate and Blair during the

St:

Nate Serena relationship. M. Their

St:

banter. The. You know the one where it

St:

was. The, uh, it's from. It's from

St:

a book. You haven't read it? I forget what book it was. It's from Anna

St:

Karenina. You haven't read it?

Leif:

Rufus finds Jenny following Serena's advice,

Leif:

watching Dirty Dancing in her room. Jenny admits

Leif:

it's corny, but, uh, good. Rufus

Leif:

informs Jenny that he is bringing her to the gala tonight, but

Leif:

he'll be watching her like a Lincoln hawk.

St:

I see what you did there. Because every time

St:

she walks away or runs away, he takes. She

St:

takes a piece of him with her.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

Indeed. Shame on you. Chuck

Leif:

Bass reads the sign held by the protesters scream for

Leif:

a boycott outside the Empire. Blair

Leif:

finds Chuck gathering Elizabeth's DNA sample from

Leif:

her cocktail glass. However, while Chuck is

Leif:

explaining his doubts to Blair, Elizabeth walks in and

Leif:

overhears them, Elizabeth storms off.

Leif:

Chuck still plans to drop the sample off of the guy at

Leif:

the nypd, but Blair seems to think

Leif:

Chuck should believe Elizabeth over Jack.

Shannon:

Uh, Chuck absolutely should get a genetic test.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

You were told your whole life that your mother died during childbirth.

Shannon:

You. You. This woman just came into the picture.

Shannon:

You know nothing about her. You should

Shannon:

absolutely get a genetic test.

Leif:

Yeah. 100%. Yeah. I don't get Blair

Leif:

advising against the earth.

Shannon:

Yeah. Stupid.

St:

Yeah. And. And even

St:

Elizabeth to be upset about it.

St:

Yeah, that's. That is sus.

Shannon:

Yeah, super sus.

St:

If you're gonna be. Oh, you know, don't

St:

test my DNA. Oh, why are you.

Shannon:

Are you gonna show up out of the flu? You should be, like,

Shannon:

expecting that he's gonna want one.

Shannon:

Ready? Yeah. Should come with paperwork,

Shannon:

like.

St:

Like, here's a glass that I just

St:

licked. And please take my DNA

St:

sample so that you can know that it's

St:

nothing out of line here. Yeah, absolutely.

St:

Reasonable.

Leif:

And gossip girls lie as we go. To break is.

Leif:

Um, Looks like the protesters outside aren't the only

Leif:

ones who think Bass is an ass.

Leif:

And we move into Act 4. We are at

Leif:

the event of the week. Serena and Lily have a little run in, and

Leif:

Serena doesn't have time for Lily's lies.

St:

Loved this. This is the first time they saw each

St:

other since the hospital, right?

Leif:

Yeah, I think so.

St:

And I. I don't know if you remember. Serena was in the car

St:

accident with Trip, the

St:

congress person. Yeah.

Shannon:

Right, right, right, right.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Trip and Lily is really upset about her being with a married

Leif:

man.

Shannon:

Sure.

Leif:

So, uh, she's not allowed home.

St:

M. And then they kind of had a little bit of

St:

a makeup in the hospital,

St:

but then they haven't.

Leif:

Yeah. She still is back living at Blair's.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Which brings another point. Nate and Serena were

Leif:

having sex in Blair's bed.

Shannon:

Oh.

Leif:

It's also the same bed where Blair and Nate have had

Leif:

sex. Chuck and Blair, Serena and

Leif:

Carter, Serena and Carter. And also

Leif:

Blair and Carter.

St:

Oh, geez.

Leif:

Blair slept with Carter for, like, two episodes

Leif:

when they were Jen's turn.

Leif:

Everyone sleeps in Blair's bed.

St:

Yeah. Dan and Vanessa need to head over, head off to the

St:

Upper east side.

Leif:

Uh, how pissed off would Blair be?

St:

Oh, my God. She'd be. Yeah, that'd be

St:

fantastic.

Leif:

Uh, Chuck enters the party, and

Leif:

a crowd starts whispering. However, Lily

Leif:

just smiles and gives Chuck a hug and asks about Blair and

Leif:

Elizabeth.

Shannon:

The only good parent child relationship.

Leif:

Yes.

Shannon:

In the entire show.

St:

Only good. A good mom when it's not her kid.

Shannon:

Yep. And he's only a good son when it's Lily.

St:

Yeah. However, and, and Robin

St:

pointed this out. Lily really

St:

fought for this relationship.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Like Lily really was patient

St:

when Chuck was not ready to have

St:

it off the rails. Yeah. And, and

St:

blaming her with, with reason. I don't

St:

think any 18 year old kid wouldn't have

St:

the reaction he had toward his

St:

stepmom dating someone else the day

St:

after his dad died.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

So Lily then like really fighting for that

St:

relationship. I, uh, felt

St:

like it was really powerful for them to still be

St:

so good together and for him to really have that

St:

love for her.

Shannon:

Yeah. And I love like her attitude towards

Shannon:

the like possibility of meeting even M. Though, like I don't like

Shannon:

this character of like Chuck's mom. Uh, but

Shannon:

her being like, I was hoping to meet her. Yeah.

St:

Yeah. I'm, I'm excited to have this

St:

part of your family into our family.

St:

Exactly.

Leif:

Nate and Serena have it out in the stairwell. Nate

Leif:

admits how hurt he was with the person that he lost his

Leif:

virginity to. Serena abandoned, uh, him

Leif:

immediately.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

I love that.

Shannon:

Like Serena starts the scene angry. She's like angry with mom. And then

Shannon:

she's like, now I'm angry with you, Nate. And then he just like turns

Shannon:

it around on her and she's like, oh, now I'm angry at

Shannon:

me.

Leif:

That makes, that makes sense. God

Leif:

damn it, Nate. You made sense for the first time in your life.

Shannon:

Yeah. Twisted guy logic was the

Shannon:

most straightforward logic ever. Fuck.

St:

And I thought this was a good scene

St:

for good Drama happens when

St:

you have two people that aren't

St:

necessarily right or wrong in how they feel in

St:

the moment.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

And they both had legitimate feelings happening.

St:

Nate did slut shame her. And

St:

that's gotta hurt. And

St:

he had reasons because he was hurt. But

St:

he does love her and she does love

St:

him. And so I just felt this was good

St:

drama. And it was the kind of drama that I'm watching

St:

thinking, this isn't going to break them up, this is going to bring

St:

them together. Which for Serena is a

St:

stretch because Serena is ready to

St:

bounce.

Leif:

She's got to go.

St:

Yeah. She's just give me some

St:

32 year old hunk walk by and

St:

then I'm off. Off.

Leif:

Or at least someone who's read a book.

St:

You think Aaron's read a book?

Leif:

Uh, yeah. I mean he went to college art books.

Leif:

Jack Bass is at the party and he makes a big show

Leif:

of an apology to Lily. Rufus arrives just

Leif:

in time to be self righteous and threaten violence.

Shannon:

This is the one moment was like, Jack, get The out

Shannon:

like don't talk to Lily.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah, totally messed up. But

Leif:

I feel like Rufus was almost happy to see him just so he could be

Leif:

self.

Shannon:

He's like, oh, somebody I can take out all my anger on

Shannon:

who deserves it and it makes me look good.

St:

What I like even more for one. For one

St:

Rufus would. If Rufus ran up and just beat

St:

the shit out of this guy sight unseen, I wouldn't

St:

have been mad. I actually would have like

St:

had a little more respect for Rufus if he would have

St:

just been like, oh, Jack's here. Fists

St:

up. But the frame be like

St:

if you come anywhere near her again then uh, you're

St:

gonna regret it. It's like Rufus,

St:

as Jack shows us with the wink,

St:

you are not intimidating

St:

as much as I was like wow, Jack, that's really fucked up.

St:

Like you said you like a good villain. And that

St:

wink when Ruhnus threatens him, um, it

St:

just, just all of the energy and power

St:

that Rufus put into that threat was

St:

just.

Leif:

Yeah. And he

Leif:

deserved it.

St:

Completely. Completely. Yeah. Like fuck you, Rufus. Are you

St:

uh, who are you fighting, Rufus? You gotta get your

St:

guitar in hand. Bruised.

Shannon:

Despite like Rufus being like still kind of

Shannon:

pissy with Lily and passive aggressive towards her, I'm

Shannon:

glad he didn't use this opportunity to like throw her under

Shannon:

the bus. Or I was like, hey, loudy go off with Jack

Shannon:

or some like that. Like I'm glad he actually like still stuck,

Shannon:

stood up for her and was.

St:

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shannon:

But no, he's not intimidated.

St:

He's not intimidating.

Leif:

Dan and Jenny have a brief conversation and Jenny

Leif:

calls Dan out for buying into the double standard between boys and

Leif:

girls. You tell him,

Leif:

Jenny.

St:

Yeah, yeah. I

St:

forgot to mention when Jack mentioned the lists of

St:

drugs that he's, that he's on, he's like, like I

St:

was drinking a lot.

Steve:

That was this.

St:

Some doctor prescribed this and some meth.

Leif:

Some over the counter, uh, medicine that's

Leif:

recently got put behind the counter.

St:

Yeah, it ends

St:

with and some meth. Yeah.

Leif:

Okay.

Shannon:

But yeah, Serena, uh, or rather Jenny makes the point.

Shannon:

Like when everyone, when you were 16 years old you

Shannon:

were in love with Serena and everyone thought it was adorable and it's

Shannon:

like, yep, yep, this is, this is true.

Shannon:

Like poor Jenny.

St:

And Dan's the one to say that to cuz he'll, he'll

St:

internalize that somewhat. He's also doing

St:

the dumb patriarchal thing of protecting his little

St:

sister's virginity, which he has it.

St:

It is the big reason that he and Nate aren't as close as

St:

they could have Been now that they are again,

St:

they're like friends again. But him

St:

protecting Jenny's vagina is

St:

why it would caused a huge rift between

St:

him and Nate. And honestly, who on this

St:

show would have treated Jenny

St:

better than Nate?

Shannon:

Yeah, yeah, I know we talked about that last time

Shannon:

I was here and I like, you guys like convinced me. I was like, uh, oh,

Shannon:

now I kind of want Jenny and Nate.

Leif:

It looks weird on screen because the actors

Leif:

ages and, and again, story wise,

Leif:

I love them.

St:

Yeah, yeah. And also Chase, as

St:

you mentioned a few seasons ago, had a big say in

St:

that, that he didn't feel right because of the age

St:

difference.

Shannon:

Speaking of, how old is Damien supposed to be?

Leif:

He's the same age as Serena. Uh, because she wants to school at Serena.

Shannon:

Oh, right, right, right. Okay, so that's, it's like 18.

Leif:

Uh, 19.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Okay, so he's the same, he's

Leif:

the same age as Nate.

St:

Yeah, 19 by.

Leif:

So there's, there's two years difference.

Shannon:

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

St:

Yeah. And I even brought that up last week and then

St:

was like, oh, yeah, that's like a, a

St:

senior dating a freshman.

Shannon:

Really?

St:

Yeah, you know, it's a stretch kind of, but

St:

it's, you know. Yeah, no senior.

Leif:

That's less than, yeah, senior dating a, a uh, sophomore.

St:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, yeah, I was

St:

a senior dating a sophomore, so it's okay.

Leif:

Dan is quickly distracted by Vanessa who shows up

Leif:

wearing a very tight dress. Vanessa just

Leif:

smirks as Dan is drawn over to her.

Leif:

Vanessa is still annoyed about the different zones thing

Leif:

and teases a drooling Dan again.

Shannon:

Even the characters are bored by this Jenny plotline. Like

Shannon:

he's like, ah, you shouldn't fuck

Shannon:

Vanessa. Like, I

Shannon:

just love that. Like he can't be bothered. Yeah.

Shannon:

Uh, but yeah, it's not a friends only dress.

St:

Well, yeah, but V does not show up to play in this

St:

either. Like she's definitely

St:

letting Dan know. Like if you want friends only

St:

zones and yeah, yeah.

St:

M. Actually, I thought she looked good in that dress

St:

too.

Shannon:

Like I, no, she definitely did. Yeah. Just like

Shannon:

I, I, I actually liked that Dan got

Shannon:

a distraction in the scene because I was so bored

Shannon:

with him talking to funny. So I

Shannon:

was like, thank God.

St:

Yeah, yeah. But, uh, yeah, I did think Vanessa

St:

looked good. Uh, and although, and we've talked about

St:

this before, they just don't know what to do with her hair half the

St:

time. And I feel like that's such a

St:

shame for her because, because she's

St:

a very pretty person.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

And they constantly are just trying to like, do

St:

Something with her hair. And nobody on

St:

this all white cast knows how to handle

St:

a woman of color's hair.

St:

Yeah, yeah.

Leif:

Hair's not good, but the rest.

St:

Yeah, top notch.

Leif:

And yeah, thank God we're back to an Upper east side party, because we had

Leif:

several episodes in a row with either no party or, like, an NYU

Leif:

party, and there was a lot of bad fashion.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Mhm.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

So all four of the women had nice, uh,

Leif:

dresses.

St:

Yes, they did. Did.

Leif:

Nate approaches Jenny and apologizes for calling

Leif:

Rufus. Jenny reveals the real reason why

Leif:

Damen got aggressive with Serena. And Nate says Jenny can't

Leif:

be involved.

St:

With someone dealing drugs.

Leif:

Jenny takes a shot at Nate's hypocrisy and

Leif:

sees Damien enter the party. Nate tries to

Leif:

stop Jenny from leaving with Damien, but Damien drops Nate

Leif:

with a single punch. And that's when we get the

Leif:

live from Gossip Girl.

Leif:

Looks like little J. Is about to do some dirty dancing of her,

Leif:

um, own.

Shannon:

This is the. This was the second. What? It was in

Shannon:

this scene when, like, Nate says

Shannon:

to Dan, he's like, oh, yeah, Jenny went off with

Shannon:

Damien and that guy deals drugs and what?

Shannon:

Yeah, I do. Like, Jenny's, uh, just like,

Shannon:

very, like, just so

Shannon:

monotone, like, go away, traitor.

St:

Well, and also,

St:

Jenny, why are you telling Nate about the

St:

drugs? Yeah, Nate has already

St:

turned on you once.

Leif:

Yeah, I'm guessing she. She guys

Leif:

assumed Nate would not care about drugs.

Shannon:

Yeah, I might be. I wrote big letters. Drugs.

Shannon:

Oh, no.

Shannon:

It escalated to punch really quickly, though. I don't

Shannon:

really get why he punched.

St:

Yeah, I. I actually had that thought

St:

that he didn't need to. No, it could

St:

just be like, okay, we're out. Okay, we're going.

Leif:

Well, Nate stepped in front of him and said, there's no way I'm leaving

Leif:

with, uh, letting you leave with her.

Shannon:

Yeah. And then he just punched him. It was like two. Like, he's.

Shannon:

One sentence into that party, and he punched.

Shannon:

I was like, oh, my goodness.

Leif:

He knows Nate's style. He knows Nate was ready to fight.

Shannon:

Uh, yeah, he's probably, like, getting annoyed. It's like, okay, you already,

Shannon:

like, with my date with Serena at the last party.

Shannon:

Like, get out of here.

St:

Already over you now.

Leif:

So we go into Act 5, and Nate lets

Leif:

Serena, Dan, and Vanessa know that Damien is a drug dealer

Leif:

and Jenny left with him. Nate is going after

Leif:

Jenny while the others are going to find Rufus and Lily.

Shannon:

Damien is worse than we thought. Uh,

Shannon:

like, what. What justification do

Shannon:

any of these characters have for hating Damien as much as they

Shannon:

do?

St:

Yeah. And we.

Leif:

Well, I Mean, from dating Serena's perspective, he did sexually

Leif:

harass Serena.

Shannon:

Fair.

Steve:

That.

Shannon:

That. But that. They're saying that he's like, they're

Shannon:

basing this off of the drug deal.

Leif:

Yeah, but that. But now that.

Shannon:

Yeah, yeah. Are basing this off of the

Shannon:

drug deal, it's like, he's worse than we thought.

Shannon:

It's like. Oh, my God. It.

St:

And we also have Lily and Rufus making up

St:

here.

Leif:

That's the next scene. That's the next scene.

St:

Oh, my bad, My bad.

Leif:

Yeah. So Rufus and Lily are having a quiet conversation.

Leif:

Rufus admits that he went to Holland's apartment with the

Leif:

intention to even the score, but couldn't go through

Leif:

with it. They declare their love for each other and are about

Leif:

to kiss when Serena, Dan and Vanessa show up

Leif:

to tell them about Jenny.

St:

Great. Like, you're back together. Can we stop all the. The

St:

fucking dumb drama? Can we make this show about the

St:

fucking kids again? And like, as we know, by the end

St:

of this, nope, Lily's gotta lie somewhere.

St:

We've gotta keep lying about this same fucking thing. That.

St:

That. I need to fly away for some reason. Fuck

St:

you, Lily.

Leif:

Chuck's lawyer comes to inform him that the case has

Leif:

taken a turn for the worse. Christian

Leif:

conservative groups are threatening a boycott and the only

Leif:

option for Chuck is to give up control of the empire

Leif:

for PR reasons. Jack sneaks

Leif:

up from behind the lawyer and volunteers himself for the job.

Leif:

Chuck shuts it down, but Jack just smiles and

Leif:

says he can wait till Chuck goes bankrupt and

Leif:

buy the hotel for pennies on the

Leif:

dollar.

Shannon:

I love Chuck's line in the scene where he, like,

Shannon:

talks about Christian conservatives and he's like, we have those in

Shannon:

Manhattan.

St:

Yeah, well. And

St:

also Chuck makes the point of like, well, great.

St:

Like that kind that can bring in the clientele

St:

I'm looking for. Let them protest. And he's right.

St:

It's dogma. You know,

St:

this is exactly what you want.

Leif:

But as we find out later, the lawyer is in on it.

St:

Yeah, of course. Which, of course, also

St:

super illegal. Totally get him

St:

disbarred.

Leif:

Well, I guess he. You get a fat payout from Jack on this.

Leif:

Or he's hoping to, obviously.

Leif:

Nate shows up at the Smith Hotel and asks for Damian's

Leif:

room at the front desk. We cut to Jenny and Damien making out

Leif:

as they enter a hotel room. Then we cut back to

Leif:

Nate being led into an empty room at the Smith

Leif:

Hotel. And we go back to Jenny and Damien and it's

Leif:

revealed they booked a separate room at the Empire.

Leif:

Damian asks for Jenny's consent And she

Leif:

agrees.

Shannon:

Now, see, Serena, that's how you do a scheme.

Shannon:

That was like. I enjoyed watching them walk into, like, the

Shannon:

bed main made a room. I was like, yeah,

Shannon:

got him.

Leif:

Um, yeah, I like how they shot that. They kept, like, cutting back and

Leif:

forth.

St:

And once again, Damien isn't

St:

an about this.

Shannon:

No.

St:

And if you think about it, pulling off

St:

something like this, that's

St:

exciting. That would be hot.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

Like.

St:

Like, Like, I don't feel like at this point,

St:

Jenny is do it like had a scheduled.

Shannon:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

St:

That. Yeah. She, you know, she knew that this was going to happen tonight,

St:

but now it's, like, exciting. And now I feel like she

St:

has the buy in. She really wants to.

Leif:

Yeah, I think she wants to have sex with Damian.

Leif:

She's not sure she's ready.

St:

Yeah. Yes. And I feel like in this moment,

St:

she recognizes she's ready.

Leif:

And if Damian would have said the right thing,

Leif:

it would have happened. Yeah.

Shannon:

Like, interrupt this scene, though, uh, with more.

Leif:

Yeah. Blair finds Chuck sulking at the bar and who

Leif:

relays the info about the boycott and Jack's offer to take over.

Leif:

Blair suggests first herself, and then Lily

Leif:

has options, both of which Chuck declines. Chuck

Leif:

gets a text and whispers DNA test

Leif:

results. Looks like we got another choice.

Shannon:

So stupid. Who cares what the DNA test

Shannon:

results are? Like? You, like, it's like you

Shannon:

barely know this woman. Why the would you

Shannon:

sign your hotel? Why do you trust her?

St:

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif:

So silly. Not to you, Lily.

St:

Batman whispers through his butthole lips.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

We go back to Damien and Jenny. They are in the bed, and

Leif:

Jenny stops the action for a moment to admit that she is a

Leif:

virgin. Damien says it's not that big of a deal,

Leif:

but Jenny disagrees and said it's a very big deal to her.

Leif:

When Damian tries to push on, Jenny has second

Leif:

thoughts and says she can't do this. An

Leif:

annoyed Damien gets up, leaves, and tells

Leif:

Jenny.

St:

I, uh, knew you were just a kid.

Leif:

Okay, dude, if you knew she was just a kid, why are you trying to

Leif:

her then?

Shannon:

I hate this scene so much. I like,

Shannon:

it really made me give up on this episode. It's

Shannon:

just like, why can't Damian be an interesting

Shannon:

character where it's like, okay, he is kind of questionable. He does

Shannon:

deal drugs. He is, like, a little bit older. He did try to hook up with

Shannon:

Serena, but, like, maybe he does really like Jenny and maybe he

Shannon:

is, like, a good, like, partner for her. And, like, why can't we

Shannon:

have a complex character in situations? Like, nope, he

Shannon:

has to. It has to be so, like, Straightforward. He's a dick. He

Shannon:

just wanted to get her pants the whole time. Uh, all.

Shannon:

All of his. Like, him turning down Serena, saying, I really liked.

Shannon:

I really like Jenny. That was just. He just wanted to

Shannon:

her.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah, I had. Yeah. The same exact thoughts

Leif:

is if he just cared about

Leif:

sex, one, why turn down Serena? Two,

Leif:

why not just lie in. In the moment?

Shannon:

Yeah, exactly.

Leif:

Or, you know, even just. Just, you know, wait a couple dates.

St:

And more than anything, like, had you just

St:

finished the conversation you were having? You're like, can we talk

St:

about this afterwards?

Shannon:

Yeah. After being like, you can talk to me about anything.

Shannon:

And like, what? Let's. Let's. And wanting to talk about it doesn't make

Shannon:

sense. Earlier that day I wanted to talk about it. And

Shannon:

so now all of a sudden you're like, I don't want to talk about it.

St:

When Jenny's like this. When he's like, it's not a big deal. And Jenny's

St:

response is, well, it is a big deal to me. Oh,

St:

I understand. That's not what I meant. But no,

St:

he's like, can't we talk about this after I. After I throw it in you?

St:

Can't we, like, can't we revisit this after?

St:

You know, after I'm like, guys, I'm falling asleep.

Leif:

Just bad writing.

Shannon:

Yeah, really bad writing. I do like Jenny's line that I

Shannon:

chose you. I feel like she is, like, she

Shannon:

is more maturity than any character in this show at this

Shannon:

point, because it's like, it is her recognizing. Like. Like, I'm making a choice.

Shannon:

I have chosen you, and that matters

Shannon:

to me. Like, that is, uh, like, that's a lot for a 16

Shannon:

year old to recognize that.

St:

Yeah. And up until this moment, like you

St:

said, Damien is a complex character

St:

who is dealing with this really up

St:

family situation with his dad on pills, and

St:

now he's also dealing. So he's doing

St:

bad, but, like, good people do

St:

bad. Why did he have to stay a bad person?

Shannon:

Yeah. And he gets introduced as a complex character who was like,

Shannon:

very good in school. Like, that did better than Serena, was

Shannon:

like a really good grades and all this stuff. And so to have a

Shannon:

character who had so much promise and potential be,

Shannon:

like, also taking this kind of like, bad boy route.

Shannon:

It's like, he was really interesting.

St:

No, no. Was it his. His contract is up. Is

St:

he. Do we not see him again for

St:

ever? For a year?

Leif:

Um, he does come back. Um, yeah,

Leif:

he's not. He's not done.

St:

Okay.

Shannon:

So you writers. Yeah.

St:

Yeah. You could have made him Better we.

Leif:

Go into the epilogue. Lily gets off the phone with

Leif:

the NYPD and says they will continue to look for her,

Leif:

but they probably won't find her. Tonight, Lily is at

Leif:

the loft with Rufus, Serena, Dan and Vanessa.

Leif:

Just then, Jenny returns home and announces her

Leif:

breakup with Damian and the desire just to go to a

Leif:

room to sleep.

St:

Parents, if you're listening,

St:

your kids are gonna punish themselves

St:

more than you ever can.

St:

Jenny walks into this house

St:

defeated.

Shannon:

That's my exact note. So defeated.

St:

Yeah, she's defeated. And

St:

she has done this before. And every time

St:

Jenny has acted out and done something

St:

to piss off Rufus, whether she was right or

St:

wrong in what she did, she has lost and come

St:

back and beat herself up more than any

St:

grounding, any punishment, any of that will

St:

do. Like, Jenny's a good girl for the most

St:

part. She does some weird up

St:

sometimes, like getting involved with this drug dealer.

St:

But again, like we said, people are complex.

St:

You can be a good kid who gets involved the same, some

St:

bad. And she's a good

St:

kid. She's going to beat herself up

St:

more than any punishment your

St:

overbearing, stupid,

St:

ridiculous father will give.

Shannon:

And why are you kicking your daughter when she's already down?

Shannon:

Like, I'm sorry for you, but that's what happens. And

Shannon:

like, he was about to say something like, so self

Shannon:

righteous and dickish and like, I'm, um, so

Shannon:

glad that she just cuts him off as like, like, can I go

Shannon:

to my room?

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Like, she's just so, like a poor Jenny. Like, she comes to

Shannon:

expect, like her life to be this. Because that's,

Shannon:

um, what her character is. It's just the world

Shannon:

on her.

St:

Yes. And. And. And her dad is the

St:

anus that it comes out of, you know, like

St:

he's the orifice of the world

St:

because he's never handling her

St:

with any kind of. Of good

St:

parental.

Shannon:

Not even kindness. Like, there's not even

Shannon:

kindness.

St:

Yeah, no, it's an I told you so to your kid.

Shannon:

Unnecessary. She came home and like, and she just said

Shannon:

like, we broke up. Like, shouldn't you be a little

Shannon:

concerned for her feelings at all? Like, you'd, like, even

Shannon:

you should be celebrating for one for yourself. Yeah, like,

Shannon:

congrats, you won, Rufus. But now, like, actually

Shannon:

take care of your daughter. But no, it's like, she came back,

Shannon:

she broke up with the guy you didn't want her to be with, and you're still being

Shannon:

like, well, I told you so. Yeah,

Shannon:

such.

St:

Yeah, such.

Leif:

On a more positive note, I'm gonna give a compliment to both.

Leif:

The combination between Taylor and the styling department because, like, for

Leif:

most of this episode, she passes as. Like,

Leif:

she could pass as young 20s. This scene,

Leif:

she looks her age. She looks like a child.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

Uh, and.

St:

And even more so in the next scene. Yeah.

Leif:

Serena follows Jenny to her bedroom, and Jenny lies to her

Leif:

about losing her virginity and blows it off as not a

Leif:

big deal. However, as Serena leaves, we see a

Leif:

sad face. Jenny listening to I've had the time of

Leif:

my life from Dirty Dancing.

Shannon:

I'm so sad. Jenny has no one to talk to.

Shannon:

Like, and like, Serena could have been that for her, and

Shannon:

then instead she ski. Yeah. She.

Leif:

Vanessa's right in the other room.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

Nessa's right in the other room.

Shannon:

Yeah. Yeah.

St:

Why?

Leif:

Why? Is it Serena?

St:

Yeah. Yeah.

Shannon:

Truly. Yeah.

St:

And. And lying to Serena is just kind of

St:

perfect.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

You know, like, you're going to come.

St:

Yeah. You think you saved my virginity?

St:

No, you. I'm going to make you think

St:

I went through with.

Shannon:

Yeah. I kind of like that she. That she lies.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Yeah. It's like, it's really business. And

Shannon:

you're not the person that I want to open up to about.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

So.

St:

Yeah. And I feel like had Jenny come in or Vanessa come

St:

in five minutes later, she would have been like. Like.

Leif:

Like, let it all out.

St:

Tell her everything you know.

Leif:

Chuck goes to Elizabeth's hotel room, and as, uh, she is

Leif:

packing to leave, Chuck admits that he should have trusted

Leif:

her. He asked Elizabeth to take over the hotel for him.

Leif:

She is reluctant at first.

Shannon:

So.

Leif:

So, so stupid.

St:

So dumb.

Leif:

This. This is why I should have trusted you, Bubby.

St:

I'm going to say this. That when she. When there was a

St:

novel knock on her door before

St:

she opened it and it was Chuck, there's the knock on the door, and I turn to

St:

Robin, I go, that's Jack. And then it was

St:

Chuck. I'm like, okay, he's got to sign it over to her first.

Leif:

This is why you don't give 19 year olds millions of dollars.

Leif:

Lily gets a call from Cece who says she's passed

Leif:

due for a test and Dr. Daddy is the best man for

Leif:

the job.

Shannon:

Up.

Leif:

Lily lies to Rufus about her reason for flying out

Leif:

to cc and Rufus tells her to go and says

Leif:

he needs some time alone with Jenny.

St:

Clean slate. Clean slate. Starting when I

St:

get back, right?

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Like when I land. It's a clean slate from then,

St:

right?

Shannon:

Not.

St:

Not now.

Shannon:

Uh, just. Just remember that you agreed. Did this. This

Shannon:

was your introduction. Just remember that you agree that we remember

Shannon:

this conversation.

Leif:

So what. What are Your thoughts on this? Other than it's a bad storyline of

Leif:

Lily lying. What. What is she lying about?

St:

Yeah, so that's.

Steve:

That.

St:

That is all of what I wrote down. Why the

St:

lies? Why is.

Shannon:

Why not just say, like, my mother really wants to see

Shannon:

him. Yeah.

St:

Yeah. My ex husband is the best at

St:

the. In the world at my mom's very

St:

specific type of cancer, and she wants to

St:

see him because she trusts him.

Leif:

Oh, so you didn't catch that, uh, what Lily's line or what her

Leif:

line was? It's time for

Leif:

your test, Lily.

St:

Huh?

Shannon:

Huh?

Leif:

It's time for your test, Lily. That's what

Leif:

Cece said. Oh, you missed that, didn't

Leif:

you?

St:

I did.

Shannon:

I did too.

St:

Is Lily sick?

Shannon:

I think they could have written that better, cuz I did. That

Shannon:

really went over my head. I thought it was just her, like, lying

Shannon:

about him again then.

Leif:

Yeah.

St:

Yeah, I. I missed that.

Shannon:

That's a good. That's a good writing plot. That's

Shannon:

way better than what I thought. Yeah, I wish I caught

Shannon:

that.

St:

Yeah.

Steve:

Because I.

St:

Because to me, it was just like

St:

I'm sneaking behind my husband's back

St:

to get medical treatment for my, uh, mom.

St:

Like, why? Like I get. Your

St:

husband is an immature prick, Rick.

Leif:

Or whatever. We got earlier that

Leif:

Cece was well in like,

Leif:

October. Yeah. And then. But she didn't get.

St:

Or she came home in October, but she was well in August.

Shannon:

Yeah, but like, cancer recurs and progresses and like, uh,

Shannon:

I don't know, she was.

Leif:

She was declared cancer free.

Shannon:

Cancer occurs. But why.

Leif:

But then it was like, why is Lily still

Leif:

seeing him, um, three months later?

St:

And my thing was, I mean, I know that when

St:

you are in remission, you still get testing

St:

frequently, especially the first year. You get

St:

several and then the following. So that's where my mind

St:

went that, like, okay, we need follow up stuff.

Shannon:

Yeah. This to me, made sense.

St:

So it didn't. Yeah, it didn't hit any red flags

St:

other than why wouldn't you

St:

just be like, from the start, you

St:

just had it all out and had this whole heart to heart with Rubus.

St:

My mom really wants this guy to be the doc or

St:

I want this guy to be my

St:

doctor. Like, my mom tested for

St:

this. Now I need to test to see if I have this thing

St:

from what you pointed out. And

St:

I want to go to the best in the world, and he

St:

might have to, I don't know, see me naked.

St:

He's a doctor and it's medical.

St:

Why lie?

Leif:

Um, Dan shows up at Vanessa's dorm, and Dan and Miss. He

Leif:

was confused and all mixed up because he had. They

Leif:

had mutually decided to keep the relationship

Leif:

secret. But that just isn't how

Leif:

Dan likes to roll. The two make it past their

Leif:

first fight as a couple and kiss.

Shannon:

I like the energy of this scene. I like the

Shannon:

kind of bit of, uh, like, I'm going to talk to Mike, my friend,

Shannon:

about the girl that I like. Yeah,

Shannon:

let's keep it.

St:

Yeah, it was cute. I'm

St:

glad this is done. That

St:

part of this.

Shannon:

I'm glad it took one episode and we're done.

St:

Yeah. That we're not high. If they would have

St:

done an entire we are

St:

sneaking around thing that would have been

St:

more entertaining if it wasn't a, uh. We need boundaries, and we

St:

need to know if it was a, uh, we're not telling anyone and we're going to

St:

sneak around.

Shannon:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

St:

That's. That could have had legs. That could have lasted a

St:

little while.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

But it was this stupid, like,

St:

I like my friend too much.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Like, I don't know.

St:

I. Writers.

Leif:

Nate and Serena are alone, and Serena apologizes for

Leif:

leaving after they slept together the first time.

Leif:

They declare their love for each other and also kiss.

Shannon:

I'm glad Nate gets this apology from her. I

Shannon:

think that that probably was, like, something.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Very healing. Uh, for. I was. I was like, oh, Like, I didn't

Shannon:

realize how hurt he was by that either. And

Shannon:

then, like, thinking about it the way he worded it, it's like, poor

Shannon:

boy.

St:

Well, and if you think about Nate in episode

St:

one of Gossip Girl.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

When Serena shows up.

Leif:

Serena that.

St:

Well, that. That first shot, you know, when you see his

St:

face and he's just like, uh.

Shannon:

And it's like. Honestly, it's. The one, like, bad thing he's ever

Shannon:

done is cheat girlfriend with

Shannon:

her best friend. Like, that was not a cool move. But it's like,

Shannon:

okay, like, if he, like, really, really loves

Shannon:

Serena and loved her and, like, had these strong,

Shannon:

strong feelings that it wasn't just kind of like a, uh, one off

Shannon:

for him. It just, like, she just bounced after.

Shannon:

It's like, oh, poor boy.

St:

He. He did. He was a little

St:

shady during the political stuff with.

St:

With, like, the gambling Serenas.

Leif:

Yeah. Nate. Nate does do some shady stuff on occasion.

Leif:

He gets away with it just because he's so boring. No

Leif:

one remembers it well.

St:

And he typically does it because he's just being

St:

led into, like, he's just following

St:

directions.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

He has no.

Shannon:

He has an obedient good dog.

St:

Yeah. Good boy.

Leif:

Who's a good point.

St:

Who uh, wants a milk bone. You go up in this guy's

St:

political career and I'll give you a milk Bone.

Leif:

Yes. And sometimes your dog will rip the plant out of the planter

Leif:

and there's dirt all over.

St:

There's dirt all everywhere. Every time, every now and then, your dog will shit on

St:

the carpet. But.

Leif:

Chuck returns to his suite to find Blair waiting

Leif:

with celebration champagne.

Leif:

And Blair really sets herself up with this one

Leif:

for the blame.

Shannon:

Because, yeah, yeah, she, she could have been

Shannon:

like. Cuz she goes, we're celebrating you for opening

Shannon:

your heart up to your mom. And then she looked at his and she

Shannon:

goes, and me encouraging you to do

Shannon:

it.

St:

And yeah. Once again, we

St:

have Blair celebrating Chuck.

St:

And I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

St:

Chuck has celebrated Blair to

St:

Blair. Right. But I

St:

keep waiting for him to have to

St:

step up for Blair the way Blair has been stepping up

St:

for him for the past 15 seasons.

St:

Episodes.

Shannon:

Yep. If. If Serena

Shannon:

are dogs, Blair and Chuck, uh, uh, are cats.

St:

Love cats.

Shannon:

But yeah, I feel like it's. It's always going to be like Chuck is like

Shannon:

the wounded, you know. Yeah,

Shannon:

boy that, like, she needs to, you know.

Leif:

And the final scene, Elizabeth opens her

Leif:

door to find Jack and Doug the lawyer with big

Leif:

Cheshire grins on their faces. It appears

Leif:

Chuck has been set up by

Leif:

malpractice.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Shannon:

And like, where's the doctor that forged the DNA

Shannon:

test then? Like, because I still don't

Shannon:

believe it. And if I do believe it, it's like, it

Shannon:

sucks. It sucks no matter what this storyline.

St:

But if Elizabeth has a sister, which

St:

her name was Evelyn at one point, now it's Elizabeth

St:

come back. Or vice versa.

Shannon:

It wouldn't like either way. Like, she wouldn't test

Shannon:

positive as, like his. As his mother.

St:

Well, I'm. I don't know how. Like I,

St:

uh. Just a police DNA test just to say if you're

St:

related or not. Like, it may not be

St:

as in depth as

St:

a mayor. Like, like ancestry, like

St:

as an ancestry test or something like that. It's just,

St:

uh, is this a person, A match to be my relative? Could

St:

this person be my mother? Because it's even not

St:

an entirely exact science. So

St:

like, could this person be my mom?

Leif:

But it would be just like Chuck to have a mother that would betray

Leif:

him like this.

St:

It would be, it would, it would.

Shannon:

Be just like Chuck.

St:

It would be old Chuck

St:

getting betrayed by moms again.

Shannon:

Old Chuck having to be like. Because

Shannon:

it's the only thing that makes him likable is having parents who betray. Betray

Shannon:

him.

St:

Right. Right. Well, and. And here's my other

St:

thing about her not being the

St:

actual mom, but being a sister or other relative

St:

is the line that, that Bart

St:

gave to Chuck when they first talked

St:

about it, when he said, I can't look at

St:

you and not see her. But, like,

St:

you're paying her off every month.

Shannon:

Yeah, I, like, I don't want it to be real because, like, it really

Shannon:

doesn't. It ruins it retroactively. Ruins

Shannon:

a lot of, like, touching scenes from when. Like, from, uh,

Shannon:

that first season and, like, from the second when it's like,

Shannon:

yeah, yeah.

St:

Although it does make Bart that much more of an

St:

ass. Like, you just lied. You'd be like, oh, no, no, I

St:

don't hate you. I just see your mom when I hate you. I mean, look at

St:

you.

Shannon:

And then, like, Dan's gonna have to take his story

Shannon:

back from.

Shannon:

Yeah,

Shannon:

Charlie Trout found his ball.

Leif:

Uh, and gospel girl ends the episode with.

Leif:

And just like that, Chuck Bass is

Leif:

celebrating a new love. Uh, careful, Chuck.

Leif:

It's an open heart. It's vulnerable to the deepest

Leif:

wounds. XOXO

Leif:

Gossip Girl.

Shannon:

M. What?

Leif:

He's coming next.

St:

I. And. And I was waiting for that to happen at the end, and I

St:

was. So. So. Because then

St:

when Jack walked in. So

St:

what's coming next? Well, Chuck's about to, uh,

St:

lose his hotel. So there's going to be some kind

St:

of scheme with Blair and

St:

Chuck against Jack and Evelyn

St:

to get this back. I. I don't see it happening

St:

in an episode. I feel like this is setting up one of

St:

those three episode arcs that

St:

kind of tracks. So I think two more episodes of

St:

Jack, maybe three, to

St:

figure out what happens to this hotel and then does. Is

St:

Chuck broke? You know, is Chuck gonna then be

St:

relying on Blair's money

St:

to survive? Or is he going to get the hotel

St:

back or is he going to get another venture? So I'm. And

St:

I'm curious as to that. Despite

St:

the fact that I think that the entire storyline is stupid and I.

Shannon:

Hate it, so I actually, like, I don't remember what comes

Shannon:

next, so I'm not. I am actually, like, theorizing

Shannon:

here. So you think that, like, Chuck and Blair will unite over

Shannon:

this? Because this seems like the kind of thing historically that would

Shannon:

make Chuck turn on Blair.

St:

Like, I can see Chuck turning on Blair and

St:

Blair trying to fix it.

Shannon:

Yeah, because that's what I see.

St:

I see Blair trying to scheme to.

Shannon:

Fix it and him just self destructing and, like,

Shannon:

being like, those girls that I didn't harass. I'm going

Shannon:

to now.

St:

Uh, we didn't even.

St:

We. I don't think we addressed the. You know, I

St:

was a kid then at my father's hotel.

Shannon:

Uh, last year.

St:

Chuck was, like, six months ago.

Leif:

Anything with Dan and Vanessa, Rufus?

St:

Oh, yeah. Dan and Vanessa, I think, have another couple

St:

episodes in them, um, because everyone needs to see

St:

it and put the idea in their head that they shouldn't be

St:

dating because they're friends, and friends are going to ruin friendship.

St:

I see that being the next step in

St:

this. In that relationship.

St:

I see Nate and Serena having

St:

a little bit more time, maybe until someone

St:

prettier pops up. Up. Uh, not. I don't

St:

want to say prettier, but another pretty person gets in

St:

between them at some point. Maybe someone from

St:

the past or maybe someone new,

St:

but I think that that's got a little bit of time left.

St:

Lily and Rufus. Stop.

St:

Just stop making a show.

Shannon:

He has to do something, like, horrible, like, he has to actually

Shannon:

betray her now, because if she is, like. If she

Shannon:

is sick, then, like, he has to do something bad

Shannon:

that he will feel bad about and regret when he finds out that

Shannon:

she's sick.

St:

Yeah, that and. Yeah. And, Lily, if you're

St:

hiding being sick, that's really shitty.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

Any more final thoughts before we get into segments?

St:

I don't think so.

Leif:

Let's hop into the Wayback Machine that traveled to

Leif:

the fan forums from 2010.

Leif:

Hello there. Peabody here. And this is

Leif:

the Wayback machine for traveling through time.

St:

And this is my boy, Sherman.

Leif:

Speak chairman.

Shannon:

Hello.

Leif:

Good boy. The overall

Leif:

impression, they loved it.

Leif:

Really?

Shannon:

Really. But fans love this

Shannon:

episode.

St:

This one, unfortunately.

Shannon:

Are you kidding? Why?

Leif:

Because they love Chuck and Blair.

Shannon:

Uh. Uh, okay.

St:

All right.

Leif:

We had the thing in season two where Canada was

Leif:

getting episodes early, and they stopped it, but they apparently came back for

Leif:

this episode for some reason. Um, they got early

Leif:

episodes, so there was a couple pages of spoiler

Leif:

tags. There was a lot of love

Leif:

for Nate and Serena.

Shannon:

Exact same reaction.

Leif:

People wish Jenny would get some actual growth instead

Leif:

of going through the same cycle of building her up to come crashing

Leif:

down every season. Season.

St:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Uh, yeah. I don't think it's even that her character needs

Shannon:

growth. It's just, like, she needs, like, an opportunity to have a

Shannon:

life. Like.

St:

Yeah. The person.

Shannon:

Like, yeah. Give this character a story.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

That isn't about her crashing and burning, and it isn't about her

St:

fighting with her dad over. She's typically right about.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

What are the writers setting up with Nate being the

Leif:

main one to protect Jenny.

Shannon:

Yeah. I was wondering that, too, if, like, if there is going to be

Shannon:

trouble in. In his relationship with Serena now

Shannon:

that like Jenny and like it was kind of interesting.

Leif:

Uh, the after the punch that Nate goes after and not. Not

Leif:

Dan. Dan just kind of like I'll hang out the party.

Shannon:

Dan just goes a what?

St:

There's also the line and it's kind of a throwaway from

St:

Jenny where she goes. It's not like you're available.

Shannon:

That too. Yeah. It's not like you're available.

St:

Yeah, like, like you are the good

St:

guy. You're the good guy today.

Shannon:

I want to be. You say that I deserve like the world.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

So the Chucky Blair fans did like that. We got some the,

Leif:

the. The lovey scenes. But they're also jealous. They didn't get the

Leif:

sexy scenes like Nate and Serena and Dan and Vanessa.

St:

My one, my one note that I didn't say when,

St:

when we got to the first time we see

St:

Serena and Nate was. We get it. They

St:

bang two episodes in a row. It's like they

St:

have to let us know these two are banging.

Leif:

Uh, and you got the same thing with Dan

Leif:

and Vanessa at the beginning.

St:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leif:

And Jenny and Damian. And Damian

Leif:

shirts open too.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

But uh, Chuck and flair are fully closed when.

Shannon:

When Chuck opens his heart, he closes his

Shannon:

pants.

St:

I don't want to know what Count Chocula

St:

vampire chest he has going on.

Leif:

And finally, as. As we mentioned, the ch. The final

Leif:

Chuck and Blair scene definitely, uh, foreshadows

Leif:

the outfall of Chuck and Blair there.

St:

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Leif:

And they love, love to hate Jack and now

Leif:

Elizabeth as well.

St:

Yep.

Leif:

The Lily Chuck scene was adorable.

St:

Yes.

Leif:

Kind of messed up that Nate and Serena are having sex on Blair's

Leif:

bed.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

As we mentioned, it's really messed up. As we mentioned

Leif:

that that bed is also experienced Serena and Carter, Blair and

Leif:

Carter, Chuck and Blair and Nate and Blair.

St:

But I don't know. She changes the sheets. I'm sure before Blair

St:

comes home. The sheets get

St:

changed before comes

St:

home.

Leif:

Well, the Blair doesn't live there anymore.

St:

Exactly. Yeah. So it's cool.

Leif:

Like she's just the metaphorical nature.

St:

Oh yeah. It's.

Leif:

Dan and Vesta should have gone to find Jenny instead of

Leif:

Serena at the end.

Shannon:

Mhm.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

And confusion on how much in

Leif:

universe time passed during the long hiatus.

Shannon:

Mhm.

St:

Yes. Because it, because it

St:

seems a few episodes back when we

St:

first came back from it, it seemed like it was.

Leif:

Just a holiday break.

St:

Just a holiday break. Despite being three months.

St:

I wonder if it was.

St:

You know, they shot that holiday that first

St:

One earlier, and then they were put on break

St:

until the spring and then started shooting again.

St:

Maybe it is. It is weird.

Leif:

That is it for this week in fandom. Let's move over to

Leif:

episode grade grades.

Leif:

I went first last time, says Steve. You get to go first.

St:

This week I went with a C

St:

minus. I. I started at a

St:

B and kind of worked backwards from there. Sometimes it happens when we

St:

do the podcast that I'll start off with a, uh, grade, and then we'll.

St:

I'll be talking about the episode and I'm like, no, this

St:

is really bad. And it came down to a

St:

C minus. And I think that's a little generous.

St:

I hated the. The virginity plot line.

St:

I hated the

St:

Dan and Vanessa plot line. I hated the.

St:

I hated it. Like, I didn't. I don't want to say hated it, but I. It

St:

was not top tier Gossip Girl.

Leif:

How about you, Shannon?

Shannon:

I. I gave it a D for dog.

Shannon:

I thought it was boring and pointless.

Shannon:

I like the main plot line about Jenny's virginity.

Shannon:

Doesn't matter to me, uh, at all. Like, the

Shannon:

way that much it's handled is, like,

Shannon:

bad. It's just not fair for this character. Like,

Shannon:

I just want this character to have, like, something. Yeah.

Shannon:

Like, happen to. For her to move her story

Shannon:

forward, but instead, like, yeah, she does keep cycling

Shannon:

around just, like, the world shitting on her. And the

Shannon:

B plot was better than the A plot, but only

Shannon:

slightly. Uh, the most interesting thing about

Shannon:

this episode is the cliffhanger and that the rest

Shannon:

of the episode is just like, like, like even the

Shannon:

characters were bored.

Leif:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leif:

For me, Mo, the Chuck and

Leif:

his mom storyline is horrible.

Leif:

It's the soap. Daytime soap worthy.

Leif:

I mean, I, I don't like the whole virginity point of

Leif:

the Jenny storyline, but I did like the

Leif:

Jenny and Damian storyline overall,

Leif:

up until that last scene.

Shannon:

Yeah, I think that last scene just kind of like rewrote it

Shannon:

for me where it's like, okay, well, well, yeah.

St:

Uh, but, yeah, that could have changed the. The

St:

trajectory.

Shannon:

I agree.

Leif:

Yeah.

Shannon:

Yeah.

St:

Just a little bit. Yeah.

Leif:

Because if that would have ended up well, then that would

Leif:

have actually been a good storyline. But because that was even, like, it

Leif:

had that. That was the only one that really had potential to be a good

Leif:

storyline and it still failed. So this episode

Leif:

gets a demi.

Shannon:

I heard if, like, she lost her virginity. It was

Shannon:

like, he was sweet to her and, like, she was happy about

Shannon:

it. And then Serena comes in and she lies about that and she

Shannon:

says, no, we. I didn't do it. Like, I Would have been more.

Leif:

Oh yeah, way back.

St:

Better.

Shannon:

Yeah. Writers.

Leif:

But yeah, I, I give it a D minus.

Shannon:

D minus. Yeah.

St:

Yeah. That's your lowest, I think so far.

Leif:

I believe it might be

Leif:

moving over to stockwash. Steve, who do you got going up?

St:

I have Jack and Elizabeth going

St:

up.

Shannon:

Mhm.

St:

I have Vanessa going up

St:

for her relationship with Dan. And I

St:

have Nate going up. Up for,

St:

uh, you know, looking out for Jenny in a

St:

better way than other people did and for getting

St:

Serena in the end. And that is all I have until

St:

I hear what you guys have and might add something to it.

Leif:

Shannon, who you got?

Shannon:

Yeah, I had Jack and Elizabeth going up.

Shannon:

They're. They're scheming a lot of moving

Shannon:

parts. Uh, it seems to have worked in their

Shannon:

favor. I had Dan and Vanessa going up.

Shannon:

Um, they seem like they're

Shannon:

like hitting a stride that they're both

Shannon:

comfortable and happy with. And

Shannon:

I don't know, I guess like I initially had

Shannon:

Rufus and Lily going up because they had kind of

Shannon:

resolved things, but now I'm not sure about that

Shannon:

one. Yeah, I, I would keep them flat.

Leif:

Okay.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

For me, I had Jack. Elizabeth obviously

Leif:

also gave Chuck's lawyer a little nod because he's in on the scheme.

St:

I thought about it, but I feel like

St:

there's that part of me that's like this dude is committing

St:

fraud. Right,

St:

Right. But like he's like the lawyer.

Shannon:

He's the most deluious.

St:

Yeah. Most to lose.

Leif:

Um, I also had Serena going up because I.

Leif:

She was trying to do the right thing even though it was the

Leif:

ass battery awkward way to do it. Then Dan and

Leif:

Vanessa going up. I did not have Nate going up. I had

Leif:

him as neutral because he got punched.

Shannon:

I was like. For him and Serena, I kind of went back and forth

Shannon:

with it a little bit because it's like, okay, Nate got like his

Shannon:

apology and like uh, there.

Leif:

And Serena got her apology too.

Shannon:

Yeah, it's like things are going okay with them. I just. I

Shannon:

like ultimately left it on.

Leif:

Yeah, I would have had them both up, but I just

Leif:

had to knock. Made the neutral cuz he got punch.

Shannon:

Yeah, he did get punched.

Leif:

Steve, who do you got going down?

St:

So I actually. Well, I'll start with Chuck and Blair

St:

both going down for getting played.

St:

I have Dan going down because he's with

St:

Vanessa.

Shannon:

No.

St:

I did that last week too, that

St:

Vanessa goes up. She landed Dan. And Dan

St:

goes down because he landed Vanessa. I uh, have

St:

Jenny going down because she's clearly once

St:

again hitting bot him. I actually had Serena

St:

going down Because I hated

St:

her scheming in this episode. I thought that her

St:

scheming was ridiculous and dumb and

St:

led to the fight that she and Nate

St:

got into. So I had Serena going down. I have

St:

Rufus and Lily both going down as well,

St:

because Rufus, for being such

St:

an. To his kid this entire time, and

St:

Rufus is. You're getting played.

St:

You're getting lied to. And Lily, you're going down

St:

because you're a liar.

St:

And Damien. That's it.

Leif:

Shannon.

Shannon:

I had Chuck and Blair going down, obviously, for

Shannon:

obvious reasons. And then I had Damien going

Shannon:

down just because that, like, what a character

Shannon:

flip. Just total 180 on,

Shannon:

like, so much potential. So much

Shannon:

like, he'd, like, he could have had, like, a good relationship and

Shannon:

been in this, like, I don't know. There's a lot of potential there.

Shannon:

And now it's just, like, we might as well be off the

Shannon:

show. We're done with you. And that was

Shannon:

actually it. I didn't. I didn't have, like, anyone else going down. Just those

Shannon:

three for me.

Leif:

I had Damien because, yeah, he. The flip at the end just

Leif:

killed his character. Jenny, because she's

Leif:

all alone again.

Shannon:

No, she seems so, like, disinterested in

Shannon:

it now, though. Like, she's so unaffected by

Shannon:

her situation. Just like, she know she's nerdy

Shannon:

dancing, like, I guess I'll listen to this on my ipod.

Leif:

I, uh, had Chuck and Blair because, yeah, they were

Leif:

played. And Rufus and L. Because they're

Leif:

ridiculous and need to grow up.

St:

But here's the best outfits from the last

St:

episode we seen.

Leif:

Moving to best outfit. Steve, who do you got?

St:

I gave it to Vanessa at the dinner.

St:

I. When she came in in that to. To be

St:

all sexy to Dan, I was like, I'll give it to you, V.

St:

I thought that was a, uh. I thought she looked great, so.

St:

And that giant necklace that she had. It's funny because Robin's like,

St:

oh, that outfit. And I'm like, no, I love it.

St:

That's my favorite. Yes.

Leif:

This. The strapless Lily dress from Diane

Leif:

von Furstenberg.

St:

That one.

Leif:

Shannon, who you got?

Shannon:

I. I had a hard time choosing. I didn't actually like

Shannon:

a lot of the outfits in this episode. Uh, and I feel like they

Shannon:

didn't show them off either. Like, there weren't, like, a lot of.

St:

Shots that, like, this season has not

St:

been as.

Shannon:

Ah, yeah. Fashionable.

Shannon:

Um, but I guess, like, I. I wound up landing on

Shannon:

Jenny's outfit at the end. The, like, black. Black

Shannon:

kind of, like, high neck that.

Leif:

Was from the Salvatore Ferregmo Fall

Leif:

2009 collection.

St:

I almost put that one down. Yeah, that was my second.

Shannon:

It was very like straightforward. Wasn't like

Shannon:

flashy. But I. I think like in comparison to all

Shannon:

the other outfits of the episode, I think she looked best.

St:

And it had that like mesh.

Shannon:

Yeah, yeah. Ah.

St:

I thought was cool.

Leif:

Like that actually wasn't part. That was actually not even part of the dress.

Leif:

The actual dress.

Shannon:

Oh.

Leif:

Really deep be.

Shannon:

Oh. I kind like. I kind of like the high neck, like

Shannon:

covered part. Yeah.

Leif:

Like a shirt on top of it.

Shannon:

I think that's um, what made me like it, like. Yeah.

St:

Because, uh, because it had like a fishnet kind of

St:

feel to it, which just really tied it back to

St:

Jenny.

Shannon:

Yeah.

Leif:

So also shout out to Serena's gray lace

Leif:

jersey dress from Stella McCartney. But I ended up

Leif:

landing on Blair's red flower print dress by Dior.

Leif:

Her m. We've already kind of established that

Leif:

Serena's color is gold yellow.

Leif:

Uh, Jenny is definitely a black.

Leif:

This kind of, I think is the first time we've really got

Leif:

a prominent red dress from Blair and that is

Leif:

definitely her color. My favorite

Leif:

outfit of the whole show is her episode from season four,

Leif:

episode two with the red Valentina dress.

Shannon:

Yeah, red is her color. I agree with that. That I actually

Shannon:

liked too Serena's like outfit with the kind

Shannon:

of dark purple jumper when she was

Shannon:

doing the like scheming. I thought that color looked good on

Shannon:

her as well. That like kind of like pinkish purple.

St:

Yeah.

Leif:

And Blair was also wearing. I'm not sure if it was Chuck's robe or

Leif:

her robe with like a Japanese robe at the beginning.

Leif:

Yeah, they didn't show the back, but I saw it

Leif:

online and there's like a big dragon emblem on it.

Shannon:

Really? I love Blair in a row

Shannon:

robe.

Leif:

That is it for our segments.

Leif:

Shannon, thank you once again for joining us. Do you

Leif:

have anything you would like to plug this time?

Shannon:

No. Still no.

Leif:

I can. All right.

Leif:

Steve, you plugged anything?

St:

I am. So I have mentioned that

St:

I'm going to be doing a film with some friends and

St:

we're going to start our crowdsourcing real soon. The film is to going

St:

called Best of this so I'll be

St:

posting stuff about it. Yeah, Shannon knows about it.

St:

Uh,

St:

our friend's band Turtle Ridge will be featured

St:

in it and the singer of Turtle Ridge is

St:

my m co star in this movie. Uh, we're

St:

very excited about it and like I said, we're starting our

St:

crowdsourcing either tomorrow or next week.

St:

We're kind of seeing what we're doing. So keep an

St:

eye out for best of this and

St:

we'd uh, love to have your help with it.

St:

Uh, you can also find that stuff when you follow me

St:

on Instagram or TikTok. Steve

St:

Marchand M a r c H I o n

St:

or you can also find me at the weed

St:

wizard on bluesky.

Leif:

For me this week I am going to Recommend Claire

Leif:

Obscure Expedition 33. It is a

Leif:

truly turn based RPG in 2025.

Leif:

5. It's by a French

Leif:

gaming studio, Sandfall Interactive. It

Leif:

has, it's like very jrpg

Leif:

but with the French tint. It's, it's,

Leif:

it's really fun. I'm about 15 hours in

Leif:

and if you want to follow me you can find me on

Leif:

Instagram and bluesky

Leif:

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Leif:

c a p I c o l a.

Leif:

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Leif:

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Leif:

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Leif:

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St:

If you'd like to get in touch with us, we would love to hear what you

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St:

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Leif:

We will be back next week to Talk about Season

Leif:

3, Episode 16, the

Leif:

Empire Strikes Jack.

Leif:

The episode description reads, chuck

Leif:

finds himself once again at odds with his uncle Jack

Leif:

Bass. Eleanor puts Blair in charge of making sure

Leif:

her latest fashion show is a huge success with an

Leif:

important client. Rufus attempts to get Jenny

Leif:

back on track by volunteering her to have her help

Leif:

with Eleanor's fashion show show.

St:

Yay, Eleanor. Yay. Uh, I miss

St:

Eleanor. Love, Eleanor.

Leif:

All right, well, until, uh, next time,

Leif:

you know you love us.

Steve:

Xoxo Every time you walk away

Steve:

run away you take a piece of me with

Steve:

you there Every time

Steve:

you walk away run away you take a piece of me

Steve:

with you there Every

Steve:

time you walk away or run away you take a of piece of

Steve:

me with you there

Steve:

oh it seems I'm walking.

St:

Right to your door.

Steve:

My heart still resting m looking for something

Steve:

more uh

Steve:

Are you ever gonna see everything you mean to

Steve:

me I'm trying really hard.

Shannon:

To believe.

Steve:

Every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

Steve:

of me with you there

Steve:

um every time um you walk away or run

Steve:

away you take a piece of me with you

Steve:

there every time you walk

Steve:

away or run away you take a piece of me

Steve:

with you there never

Steve:

feels right when I'm out here on.

St:

My own.

Steve:

I left last night and it feels like

Steve:

way too long.

Leif:

Are.

Steve:

You ever gonna see everything you mean to me

Steve:

I'm trying really hard to.

Leif:

Believe.

Steve:

Every time you walk away run away you take a

Steve:

piece of meat with you there

Steve:

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there.

St:

Come back to me.

Steve:

Smile and you'll make my life

Steve:

complete

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

Steve:

of me with you there

Steve:

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of m me with you there

Steve:

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there

Steve:

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve:

piece of me with you there.

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