Gossip Girl S2E08 - Pret-A-Por-J (w/Andy Greene)

Andy: 00:00:00

Yeah, Dawson, he was masturbating to Katie.

Leif: 00:00:03

Couric, which brings up so many

Leif: 00:00:05

edible, questions.

Steve: 00:00:07

That's so funny.

Andy: 00:00:08

Oh, yeah, because, yeah, his mom is a reporter.

Steve: 00:00:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. We watched some of

Steve: 00:00:13

that. Also, Dorota, why so

Steve: 00:00:16

judgy?

Leif: 00:00:25

Hey, upper east siders and all you scandal loving listeners out

Leif: 00:00:27

there, you just tuned into the non judging breakfast

Leif: 00:00:30

pod, where the coffee is strong, the waffles

Leif: 00:00:33

are fresh, and the gossip is hotter than ever.

Leif: 00:00:36

My name is Leif, and I'm your seasoned gossip girl

Leif: 00:00:39

veteran.

Steve: 00:00:39

And I'm Steve. I'm the newbie, the greenhorn,

Steve: 00:00:43

the. I don't know, Leif, what's the season

Steve: 00:00:45

two nuke, hit on the block in Gossip girl

Steve: 00:00:48

turns?

Leif: 00:00:49

I don't know, but you're gonna have to take off your shirt and dance for the camera if you want to

Leif: 00:00:52

make it to the top.

Steve: 00:00:53

Well, either that, or I'm gonna have to walk out on Eleanor

Steve: 00:00:56

Waldorf, so.

Leif: 00:00:57

Sounds good.

Steve: 00:00:59

So here's the deal, folks. Leif has been a

Steve: 00:01:02

fan of Gossip Girl since it first aired, and I'm

Steve: 00:01:05

watching for the very first time. And together, we're your

Steve: 00:01:07

dynamic duo, bringing you all the drama,

Steve: 00:01:10

romance, and sometimes questionable

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fashion choices of this iconic

Steve: 00:01:15

2007 series.

Leif: 00:01:17

That's right. Each week, we're going to take a deep dive into the

Leif: 00:01:20

show one episode at a time. We're going to analyze all the

Leif: 00:01:23

hidden references, parallels, and, of course, the

Leif: 00:01:25

guitar. Guitar. And along the way, we're going to talk about

Leif: 00:01:28

some stories from fandom and some behind the scenes gossip.

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And since we're all about inclusivity here at the non

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judging breakfast pod, there's always room for you at the

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non judging breakfast table. So go ahead and grab your

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mimosa, your cup of coffee, or some

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of, ah, Nate and Chuck special medicine, and let's

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go ahead and get started.

Leif: 00:01:48

all right. And, Steve, once again, we are not

Leif: 00:01:50

alone. We are with a guesthouse. We are with

Leif: 00:01:53

Andy Green. He is the host

Leif: 00:01:56

of the Naked man podcast and formerly from

Leif: 00:01:59

gossip Guys.

Steve: 00:02:00

Yes.

Leif: 00:02:00

Welcome.

Steve: 00:02:01

Andy.

Leif: 00:02:01

How's it going?

Andy: 00:02:02

Hello. Thank you. I spotted you.

Andy: 00:02:05

Found me.

Andy: 00:02:08

Still, it's a small island, and it's hard, but it's hard

Andy: 00:02:11

to get off of, huh?

Steve: 00:02:12

Yep.

Leif: 00:02:12

Hard to get off the island.

Andy: 00:02:14

Yeah. I thought I'd escaped, and

Andy: 00:02:17

you, roped me back in.

Leif: 00:02:20

So, have you watched any gossip

Leif: 00:02:22

girl since, you know, the podcast

Leif: 00:02:25

ended?

Andy: 00:02:26

I have not. I don't. I don't think so. I.

Andy: 00:02:29

And, we. At one point, we're gonna do the new

Andy: 00:02:32

show and continue. But we. We

Andy: 00:02:35

really. We did, like, 150

Andy: 00:02:38

episodes. We were like, you

Andy: 00:02:41

know, we were losing. Losing the,

Andy: 00:02:44

like thing, and we wanted to keep the original alive

Andy: 00:02:46

and not go down that road, or else I'd still be.

Andy: 00:02:49

Still be there, I guess. But, yeah, I think that was kind

Andy: 00:02:52

of fun to not have, you know, give it a couple

Andy: 00:02:55

years before watching this episode and throw myself in the

Andy: 00:02:58

middle of a season. But, like, I. Yeah, I know where we

Andy: 00:03:01

are. This is, painfully familiar.

Steve: 00:03:04

Now, did you have the same sort of format

Steve: 00:03:07

that we're doing that one of you had seen it and one of you

Steve: 00:03:09

hadn't? And which one you?

Andy: 00:03:12

Ah. Aaron was leaf, and I was

Andy: 00:03:14

you, Steve.

Leif: 00:03:15

Oh, awesome.

Andy: 00:03:16

I was the newbie going into it for the first

Andy: 00:03:19

time, and I actually was going to ask, like, are

Andy: 00:03:22

you. Do you know spoilers going

Andy: 00:03:24

forward?

Steve: 00:03:25

No.

Steve: 00:03:28

The one thing that I say all the time,

Steve: 00:03:31

that by the end of season one, I

Steve: 00:03:33

have avoided spoilers as much as I can, but there's

Steve: 00:03:36

been a couple things that have kind of just brushed

Steve: 00:03:39

past, and it's driven me only to one

Steve: 00:03:42

conclusion, and that's that they're all going to fuck

Steve: 00:03:45

that at some point. By

Steve: 00:03:47

the end, they're, all of them at one

Steve: 00:03:50

point, maybe altogether, I don't know.

Andy: 00:03:53

But, I mean, that would be

Andy: 00:03:55

a good reunion episode if it hasn't happened. I don't

Andy: 00:03:58

want to spoil anything, but, yeah, yeah,

Andy: 00:04:01

I was similar. Like, I mean, I did

Andy: 00:04:04

about midway through, I did get the ultimate spoiler.

Andy: 00:04:08

about who gossip girl is. And

Andy: 00:04:11

so that, of course, shaped the

Andy: 00:04:13

viewing, but, yeah, I hope you can.

Leif: 00:04:16

Don'T drink in podcast.

Steve: 00:04:17

Yeah, our friend

Steve: 00:04:20

Rachel almost spoiled that for me,

Steve: 00:04:23

and I had to, very forcefully

Steve: 00:04:26

say, no, I have not seen the

Steve: 00:04:29

show.

Leif: 00:04:30

So the reason I reached out to you was from, someone on our

Leif: 00:04:33

discord, Jessica Bees.

Steve: 00:04:35

Yeah.

Leif: 00:04:36

And she, she actually wanted to ask, are you still

Leif: 00:04:39

in touch with Aaron?

Andy: 00:04:40

Ooh. Are we ready for that gossip? I don't know if we're

Andy: 00:04:43

ready for that gossip. to be

Andy: 00:04:45

completely honest and transparent, we sort of had a

Andy: 00:04:48

falling out. We kind of. We kind of. We kind of had our

Andy: 00:04:51

breakup. Like, I think gossip girl took a lot out of us,

Andy: 00:04:54

and we. We finished this project, and. And, yeah, we just sort

Andy: 00:04:57

of have different. I mean, the whole show was us

Andy: 00:05:00

being so different from one another.

Leif: 00:05:02

Yeah.

Andy: 00:05:02

Like, talked about it a lot, and it. And that was sort

Andy: 00:05:05

of us arguing and yelling at each other, and that was our

Andy: 00:05:07

relationship, which was good.

Leif: 00:05:10

Yeah, it worked good.

Steve: 00:05:11

Yeah.

Leif: 00:05:11

Yeah. Well, thank you.

Andy: 00:05:13

but, yeah, like, I mean, I still wish, you know, the best

Andy: 00:05:15

for him, but, yeah, we're not. We haven't, Yeah, we almost went

Andy: 00:05:18

to forever would, That almost was our sequel show,

Andy: 00:05:21

and I think we both needed to spread our wings and

Andy: 00:05:24

try other things, which is sort of what naked man was for me.

Andy: 00:05:27

And. And I know Aaron's still, you know, riding,

Andy: 00:05:30

plugging away, or as far as I know, you're gonna

Andy: 00:05:33

bring him out and he's, like, behind you, and that.

Leif: 00:05:34

Would be like, no, I was actually

Leif: 00:05:37

thinking about him last week with the news of

Leif: 00:05:40

Shannon Dougherty, so, Oh,

Leif: 00:05:42

yeah.

Andy: 00:05:44

That is. He would really appreciate that thought. And

Andy: 00:05:47

I thought of him as well when I heard that because I know. Yeah. And

Andy: 00:05:50

that's super sad. as well. And then,

Andy: 00:05:53

like, 921 has been hit hard the last

Andy: 00:05:56

couple years.

Steve: 00:05:56

Yeah. Yeah. When. When I had the

Steve: 00:05:59

realization that Luke and Brenda were. Both.

Steve: 00:06:02

Had both died, it was really like,

Steve: 00:06:05

wow, those two

Steve: 00:06:08

definitely said it's just those two, right?

Steve: 00:06:11

There's no. Has there been anyone else from

Steve: 00:06:14

any of. None of the other.

Leif: 00:06:16

The older one. The parents, maybe?

Andy: 00:06:18

I think the parents, yeah. But I. I'm not the one to know.

Leif: 00:06:20

I, I'm not a fan of rolling fan show.

Leif: 00:06:24

I thought the acting was not great.

Steve: 00:06:26

I. I was the exact.

Leif: 00:06:30

I don't think the cast is the strong point in Gossip Girl. I think

Leif: 00:06:33

that's what carried his show. Really?

Steve: 00:06:35

Oh, yeah. yeah, that's definitely. I

Steve: 00:06:37

was the perfect age for

Steve: 00:06:40

90210 when that first season came out, too.

Steve: 00:06:42

So my friend and I. And we were both, like,

Steve: 00:06:45

in love with every woman on

Steve: 00:06:48

that cast, too, so

Steve: 00:06:51

we. Yeah, yes.

Leif: 00:06:52

I was a little younger. So before we start the episode, we will talk

Leif: 00:06:55

about the show that I grew up with, which is Dawson's

Leif: 00:06:57

Creek, which, I know, you are a huge fan.

Steve: 00:07:01

That.

Andy: 00:07:02

Yeah, if, like, sort of. That should have been the podcast

Andy: 00:07:05

I did. I mean,

Andy: 00:07:07

spoilers, but I kind of gossip girl. I did not.

Andy: 00:07:10

Like, by the end of it, I was just like, this. Yeah, I have a

Andy: 00:07:13

lot of problems with this show, but it's also always, like, a

Andy: 00:07:16

hate watch, guilty pleasure kind of a thing. I understand.

Andy: 00:07:19

I get it. And I always. But, like, yeah, Creek is my

Andy: 00:07:22

show, probably of any show, like,

Andy: 00:07:25

the most influential in my life, weirdly.

Leif: 00:07:27

Yeah. I was a year younger than the

Leif: 00:07:30

Dawson's Creek. I was class 2002. They were zero

Leif: 00:07:33

one.

Andy: 00:07:34

Oh, so they were the upperclassmen. You were.

Leif: 00:07:36

Yeah, yeah.

Andy: 00:07:39

Having the drama. Yeah, I was a little bit. I was

Andy: 00:07:42

younger and I watched it actually first through

Andy: 00:07:45

TBS. That was where I found it. But

Andy: 00:07:48

I'm like, still I'm on like number four or five watch

Andy: 00:07:51

right now with my partner and she has not seen

Andy: 00:07:53

it. So we're doing the non judging, cape side

Andy: 00:07:56

pod. We're in the last season

Andy: 00:07:59

and it's hard.

Steve: 00:08:01

It's great.

Andy: 00:08:02

It's really hard to get through.

Leif: 00:08:03

I mean, so as a Dawson fan,

Leif: 00:08:06

I actually like the fourth, fifth, and 6th

Leif: 00:08:09

seasons quite a bit. Cause that that's kind of

Leif: 00:08:11

immaturing, those seasons.

Andy: 00:08:14

I I agree with you to a point. Cause I actually

Andy: 00:08:17

really like Dawson's college stuff that he's

Andy: 00:08:20

going on like,

Leif: 00:08:21

The rest with those. Yeah.

Andy: 00:08:22

But like, I think. I think I was into like maybe four.

Andy: 00:08:25

Like, they both start.

Steve: 00:08:27

Four.

Andy: 00:08:27

Four and five will start out really well, I think. Or, like,

Andy: 00:08:30

I'm interested in their new whereabouts, the new

Andy: 00:08:32

storylines, new people. And I think by the end

Andy: 00:08:35

of, I mean, especially five, that one just really drags

Andy: 00:08:38

and is really like,

Leif: 00:08:39

To get four of those by actually my favorite season.

Andy: 00:08:42

Ooh, interesting. Yeah. Okay.

Leif: 00:08:45

That that really was like the redemption of Dawson.

Andy: 00:08:48

It was. And that's. I mean, is that

Andy: 00:08:51

Dawson, after he.

Leif: 00:08:53

Went to the lowest low at the end of season three.

Andy: 00:08:56

Yes.

Leif: 00:08:57

They built, they built. They finally built them out but gave him some

Leif: 00:09:00

growth.

Andy: 00:09:00

I mean, it took some tragedy, but. Yeah,

Andy: 00:09:03

yeah, no, I'm with you. I think I have a soft spot for

Andy: 00:09:06

those seasons. And, I mean, I love Audrey until

Andy: 00:09:09

they, you know, ruin her, but they have to. She

Andy: 00:09:11

can't be one of the main

Andy: 00:09:14

four.

Steve: 00:09:15

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 00:09:17

The way that they treated Jen and Jack anyway, so,

Leif: 00:09:20

yeah, he gave them not very good

Leif: 00:09:23

stories. Yeah.

Andy: 00:09:25

I feel bad about Jack's college years a lot. I

Andy: 00:09:28

have, you know, sleepless nights thinking about that

Andy: 00:09:31

and wondering, oh, man.

Andy: 00:09:34

Yeah, he deserved better than that frat. God damn it.

Leif: 00:09:36

Yeah, that was rough.

Andy: 00:09:38

I think Agnes is Jack's frat, for,

Andy: 00:09:44

like, that's getting ahead of her.

Leif: 00:09:48

All right. So, yes, we are getting in. We're actually here to talk about

Leif: 00:09:51

gastric girl today, season two, episode eight.

Steve: 00:09:54

I'm really glad because I don't know shit about Dawson's

Steve: 00:09:57

Creek.

Leif: 00:10:00

Air j Original air date

Leif: 00:10:03

October 27, 2008

Leif: 00:10:06

anyone get the. Has anyone seen the movie? It's based on,

Leif: 00:10:09

Pret Eporte.

Steve: 00:10:11

Okay. So I

Steve: 00:10:13

know, but

Steve: 00:10:16

Robin instantly recognized the term,

Steve: 00:10:19

which I, which I've never heard before, and she's like,

Steve: 00:10:22

Robin, my wife. Robin instantly

Steve: 00:10:25

said, that's a fashion term. Hold on

Steve: 00:10:28

a second, pret a porter is.

Steve: 00:10:31

It means ready to wear. Ready to wear. Yeah.

Steve: 00:10:33

Essentially off the rack as opposed to courtier,

Steve: 00:10:36

which is custom. So,

Steve: 00:10:39

yeah. Thank you very much, Robin.

Leif: 00:10:41

And so I've not seen the movie, but it's basically. It is a

Leif: 00:10:44

movie takes place during fashion week, and it's a. It's a kind of a

Leif: 00:10:47

whodunit. Kim Basinger's in it.

Andy: 00:10:50

It's got a huge cast. They have a Julia Roberts in it.

Leif: 00:10:52

It has Sophia Loren and Marcello

Leif: 00:10:55

Mastriani, who, if you watch any italian movies from the

Leif: 00:10:58

era, you'll know who that is.

Steve: 00:11:00

Yeah.

Andy: 00:11:00

He's Kim Robbins. Forrest Whitaker. Yeah. Robert Altman directed it.

Andy: 00:11:03

I did not see it. I was. I was thinking about

Andy: 00:11:06

the fiore.

Leif: 00:11:06

Lauren.

Andy: 00:11:08

Yeah. But Lauren Bacall. The

Andy: 00:11:11

reviews are bad. Lauren Bacall's in it.

Leif: 00:11:12

Oh, Tim Robbins.

Andy: 00:11:13

Yeah.

Leif: 00:11:14

Yeah. So, but, yeah. Never seen it.

Steve: 00:11:17

Nope.

Andy: 00:11:19

We're not ready to watch. We're ready to wear.

Leif: 00:11:24

The gossip girl wiki episode description

Leif: 00:11:27

reads, jenny befriends a young model, Agnes,

Leif: 00:11:30

who encourages Jenny to not only explore her wild side

Leif: 00:11:33

but also confront her boss, Eleanor Waldorf,

Leif: 00:11:36

who is attempting to borrow Jenny's

Leif: 00:11:38

designs. Serena meets an artist, Aaron

Leif: 00:11:41

Rose, and realizes they have instant chemistry.

Leif: 00:11:44

Blair attempts to seduce Chuck, but it

Leif: 00:11:46

proves tougher than she ever imagined.

Leif: 00:11:52

Pretty accurate.

Steve: 00:11:53

Yeah.

Leif: 00:11:55

Unfortunately, in the first season, we had these, we were

Leif: 00:11:58

doing television without pity recast, but they kind

Leif: 00:12:01

of stopped doing those. unfortunately, they were much funnier.

Andy: 00:12:04

Oh, okay. Yeah, this one's

Andy: 00:12:06

very dry, but also.

Steve: 00:12:08

Yeah. Yeah. It's very factual. It's like. Yes. That is a

Steve: 00:12:11

very good recap.

Andy: 00:12:13

Okay. That's the show then.

Steve: 00:12:15

Yeah. Thank you, everybody.

Leif: 00:12:17

Thanks for sending it.

Steve: 00:12:18

Yeah. Andy, everybody.

Leif: 00:12:19

Yes. The episode was written by

Leif: 00:12:22

Amanda Lasher. This is her first of 13

Leif: 00:12:25

episodes, so. First time we had a newbie in a little while here.

Steve: 00:12:28

Yeah.

Leif: 00:12:29

She looks like she kind of bounces around from writers room to writers

Leif: 00:12:32

room because she, has, like, an episode or two and then, like, 13

Leif: 00:12:35

episodes as a producer. So she's,

Leif: 00:12:37

like, clearly in the writer's room.

Steve: 00:12:39

Yeah.

Leif: 00:12:40

Yeah. And then it was directed by

Leif: 00:12:43

Von D. Curtis hall, who I had

Leif: 00:12:46

no idea who this was, but if you bring up a picture, he's actually

Leif: 00:12:49

an actor. He's a character actor, and I'm sure

Leif: 00:12:52

you've seen him in something. The, thing that I recognized most

Leif: 00:12:55

from was, the Romeo Juliet, the wise bourbon. He

Leif: 00:12:58

was Captain Prince.

Andy: 00:13:00

He's a dare novel, too. He's like Ben Yurick.

Leif: 00:13:02

And, yeah, he's been in a million things.

Steve: 00:13:04

Yeah.

Leif: 00:13:04

and he's apparently he's just directed, like, maybe

Leif: 00:13:07

1520 episodes of tv here and there. I, think

Leif: 00:13:09

the most one was Firefly.

Leif: 00:13:12

He directed the episode. R misses Reynolds.

Steve: 00:13:15

Oh, love that episode, too.

Andy: 00:13:18

Yeah, that's,

Andy: 00:13:21

good for Vondi.

Steve: 00:13:22

Yeah. Right.

Leif: 00:13:23

So we move into act one.

Leif: 00:13:26

Every girl fantasizes about finding her prince

Leif: 00:13:29

charming, but it's that prince that refuses to come.

Leif: 00:13:32

A girl has to take matters into her own

Leif: 00:13:34

hands. The episode opens with Toronto

Leif: 00:13:37

catching Blair walking the dog. In

Leif: 00:13:39

Dawson's Creek's parlance.

Andy: 00:13:41

Yes, I caught that.

Steve: 00:13:43

Ok, so I didn't get to the reference, but

Steve: 00:13:46

that makes sense.

Leif: 00:13:47

Yeah, it's the pilot episode.

Steve: 00:13:49

I read that to Robin and she said, I've never heard it

Steve: 00:13:52

referred to that before.

Leif: 00:13:53

That's how they got. They got around the sensors that way. Oh,

Leif: 00:13:56

they're the pilot episode.

Steve: 00:13:57

Great. Yeah.

Andy: 00:13:58

Dawson's was. He was masturbating to Katie Couric,

Andy: 00:14:01

which is.

Leif: 00:14:02

Brings up so many edible, questions.

Steve: 00:14:05

That's so funny.

Andy: 00:14:06

Oh, yeah, because. Yeah, his mom is a reporter.

Steve: 00:14:09

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. We watched some of

Steve: 00:14:11

that. Also, Dorota. Why so

Steve: 00:14:14

judgy?

Leif: 00:14:15

Like, you know, she comes from that

Leif: 00:14:18

eastern european. Jack's

Leif: 00:14:21

Catholic.

Steve: 00:14:21

God is always watching. And how do you, like.

Leif: 00:14:26

Yeah.

Andy: 00:14:27

Knows then. Right?

Steve: 00:14:28

Like, she's, like she. Yeah.

Andy: 00:14:32

Was, she listening? Like, or. She just has a 6th sense.

Steve: 00:14:34

That's what I was wondering. Like, how do you know what's going on

Steve: 00:14:37

there? And that's.

Andy: 00:14:38

Maybe it's just her daily routine and I. And I

Andy: 00:14:41

props the gossip girl for just, like, starting us off and

Andy: 00:14:44

there's no judgment whatsoever. Of course.

Steve: 00:14:46

Yeah.

Andy: 00:14:47

Just like gotta do when the prince isn't

Andy: 00:14:49

coming.

Steve: 00:14:50

Yeah.

Leif: 00:14:53

In Brooklyn, Dan and Rufus and eat

Leif: 00:14:56

waffles. While Jenny appears to be more integral than ever

Leif: 00:14:59

at Waldorf designs, she is chewing people out on the

Leif: 00:15:02

phone like a seasoned pro. We also see Jenny

Leif: 00:15:05

bump into a shirtless Nate who is still staying

Leif: 00:15:08

with the humphries.

Steve: 00:15:09

I hate the hair. I hate

Steve: 00:15:12

it.

Leif: 00:15:13

Jenny.

Steve: 00:15:14

The Jenny hair? Yeah.

Andy: 00:15:15

Yeah. No, Jenny hair is rough.

Leif: 00:15:17

Yeah.

Steve: 00:15:18

I mean, she.

Leif: 00:15:19

From rumors. It's. She, Taylor must have just kind of cut

Leif: 00:15:22

her hair herself one day and showed up to set that way.

Steve: 00:15:25

It looks like a wig.

Leif: 00:15:28

Like, she came in and, like, she had cut it herself and they're

Leif: 00:15:31

like, oh, crap. Let's see what we can do with this.

Andy: 00:15:33

Yeah, I mean, I feel like her. Yeah, her

Andy: 00:15:36

Persona herself, like, was really going through shit the same

Andy: 00:15:39

time so they, just made Jenny do this.

Leif: 00:15:42

And she never wanted to be an actress. Yeah, she was

Leif: 00:15:45

forced into it by her parents.

Andy: 00:15:46

You can see this is, like, step one of her pretty reckless look.

Andy: 00:15:49

Like, it doesn't.

Steve: 00:15:50

Yeah.

Andy: 00:15:50

Work. It doesn't work at all in this, but, like,

Andy: 00:15:53

I eventually does.

Steve: 00:15:54

So she grows into it. Yeah, she really does.

Andy: 00:15:57

Like, you just need to let the hair grow a little bit and. But, yeah, she has

Andy: 00:16:00

the, like, the raccoon makeup comes up.

Steve: 00:16:02

Yep.

Andy: 00:16:03

This is the first time that comes out.

Steve: 00:16:05

Yeah, this much. And.

Steve: 00:16:07

And, like, it's a gradual. Just punk a

Steve: 00:16:10

fication throughout the entire episode, too, that she

Steve: 00:16:13

ends with, like, the leather jacket with studs and shit on

Steve: 00:16:16

it, like Brian's, like a butterfly knife

Steve: 00:16:19

in her pocket.

Steve: 00:16:22

Yes.

Andy: 00:16:23

I wish. Yeah, I wanted to. We're gonna talk about

Andy: 00:16:26

outfits, but I just want to say Nate Natal

Andy: 00:16:29

is pretty tough to beat.

Steve: 00:16:30

Just gonna say.

Leif: 00:16:31

Oh, yeah.

Andy: 00:16:35

A lot of terrible fashion in this episode, even though

Andy: 00:16:38

it's a fashion, like, centric one.

Andy: 00:16:41

Like, I hate Jenny's dress. I wrote that down right

Andy: 00:16:44

before. Like, well, we'll get to it. But anyway.

Andy: 00:16:46

Yeah, the one she made, of.

Steve: 00:16:48

It's funny because I love that dress.

Andy: 00:16:50

Oh, really?

Steve: 00:16:51

Yeah, yeah.

Leif: 00:16:52

Chuck rolls up to Blair in his limo and continues to

Leif: 00:16:55

taunt her about, saying those three little

Leif: 00:16:58

words. They keep going with her back and forth.

Steve: 00:17:00

Yeah, she caved like that.

Steve: 00:17:03

She just. Oh, all right, I don't have to say it. Okay, I'll

Steve: 00:17:06

come on into the car.

Steve: 00:17:09

It didn't take much to get her to the

Steve: 00:17:12

door.

Andy: 00:17:13

They both do that, like, the whole episode, you know?

Steve: 00:17:15

Yeah, it's great.

Leif: 00:17:17

Jenny appears to be bonding with a model played by Will

Leif: 00:17:20

Holland of the OC and Arrow fame.

Leif: 00:17:23

Jenny is trying to learn from Eleanor in a

Leif: 00:17:26

buyers meeting, but Eleanor seems to be blowing her off.

Steve: 00:17:29

Agnes instantly seems like bad news. Yeah.

Leif: 00:17:32

She seems fun, though.

Steve: 00:17:33

She does seem fun.

Andy: 00:17:35

She is. yeah, she's like the devil on the shoulder.

Steve: 00:17:38

Yeah.

Andy: 00:17:38

Like, I don't know. Like, there's. There's good in there, too,

Andy: 00:17:41

because I like what she's saying a lot of the

Andy: 00:17:44

time, you know?

Steve: 00:17:45

I like what she's saying. I don't like what she's

Steve: 00:17:48

doing, you know? Yeah.

Andy: 00:17:50

Especially as we go on, like.

Steve: 00:17:51

Yeah, yeah. Like, she's saying

Steve: 00:17:54

the great things, but she's not backing those things

Steve: 00:17:57

up in the, like, immediately

Steve: 00:18:00

and is very dangerous bubble. Yeah.

Andy: 00:18:03

Like, dangerous elements into the play.

Steve: 00:18:05

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Andy: 00:18:07

But fuck Eleanor. Sorry.

Steve: 00:18:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck Eleanor in this

Steve: 00:18:12

because I've really had especially the

Steve: 00:18:15

Jenny Eleanor relationship, I felt was.

Steve: 00:18:18

Has been good. Yeah.

Leif: 00:18:20

Yeah. But I think. Yeah. I

Leif: 00:18:22

mean, it's. It's a tough position for Eleanor. That, too.

Steve: 00:18:25

yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 00:18:26

all the buyers want are what she has, and.

Leif: 00:18:29

Yeah. I mean, but it's still

Leif: 00:18:31

fucked up what she's done.

Steve: 00:18:32

Yeah.

Andy: 00:18:33

Year old's work. Like, she's. Yeah, she's in trouble.

Leif: 00:18:36

Eleanor, so, yeah, she does some hard manipulation.

Steve: 00:18:39

Yeah.

Leif: 00:18:40

Nate steps into the atelier just to deliver

Leif: 00:18:43

a binder Jenny left at home. After Nate leaves,

Leif: 00:18:46

Jenny's new model friend points out that Nate totally

Leif: 00:18:49

wants to do Jenny.

Steve: 00:18:51

She's not wrong. Yeah.

Andy: 00:18:53

Nope. Yeah. You could see it in his eyes. It's very

Andy: 00:18:55

clear.

Steve: 00:18:56

You don't dry. You don't go. You don't take

Steve: 00:18:59

the binder all the way to someone's work,

Steve: 00:19:02

to. Yes. You're like,

Steve: 00:19:05

you're into them. Yeah. At that

Steve: 00:19:07

age, that's a, year into them.

Andy: 00:19:10

I mean, it could be a great friend move, but, like, I

Andy: 00:19:13

mean, Dan's doing the same thing, like, he's being a friend just so he can stay

Andy: 00:19:16

close.

Steve: 00:19:16

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Andy: 00:19:18

It's not like. Yeah, I.

Andy: 00:19:21

Yeah.

Leif: 00:19:22

Dan and Serena meet at school and still seem to

Leif: 00:19:25

be in a good place. After the conversation last week, they

Leif: 00:19:28

are interrupted by Blair, who needs help with her chuck

Leif: 00:19:30

problem. Serena convinces Blair to let Dan

Leif: 00:19:33

help.

Steve: 00:19:35

My note here is, oh, well, if Warren Buffett says

Steve: 00:19:37

so.

Leif: 00:19:39

Yeah. there was so many good singers in the scene, yet

Leif: 00:19:41

you have to help me destroy Chuck bass.

Leif: 00:19:44

Just because you two are making the doomed attempt to

Leif: 00:19:47

make to be friends doesn't mean I have to play

Leif: 00:19:50

the enabler. And you need

Leif: 00:19:53

help with getting Chuck to sleep with you. Really?

Steve: 00:20:00

And also, just lie and say it.

Steve: 00:20:03

College guys have been doing that for years.

Steve: 00:20:06

College guys have been getting away with that for years.

Leif: 00:20:09

you see Dan kind of disgusted, saying that. He

Leif: 00:20:11

does make a disgusted face as he's saying it.

Andy: 00:20:13

Yeah, there's a lot of disgust in

Andy: 00:20:16

the whole conversation, but I really like Dan and

Andy: 00:20:19

Blair back and forth.

Leif: 00:20:21

their chemistry is always great.

Steve: 00:20:22

Yeah. A good Dan Blair team up works

Steve: 00:20:25

for me. I do like their chemistry. I

Steve: 00:20:28

do like, and there's.

Steve: 00:20:31

There's even a moment later in the show where. Where you

Steve: 00:20:34

just really see some, like, really good,

Steve: 00:20:37

like, chemistry. Yeah.

Leif: 00:20:41

Next up, we get Eleanor manipulating Jenny into

Leif: 00:20:44

offering to give Eleanor another one of Jenny's

Leif: 00:20:47

designs. Sounds like Jenny has an all nighter ahead

Leif: 00:20:50

of her.

Steve: 00:20:50

Fuck Eleanor with this.

Leif: 00:20:52

This is really.

Steve: 00:20:54

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 00:20:55

She was, just clearly manipulating.

Andy: 00:20:58

Yeah, well, it's just, like, I don't know.

Steve: 00:21:01

Yeah.

Andy: 00:21:01

I can't help but, you know, the power dynamic of that.

Andy: 00:21:04

And, like, she's literally a 15 year old intern. She's

Andy: 00:21:06

probably not getting. Not getting paid, and she's.

Andy: 00:21:09

By doing that, she will be able to steal her designs.

Steve: 00:21:12

Yeah.

Andy: 00:21:12

And, like, just, you know, coming out of Hollywood, too, it's just like, oh,

Andy: 00:21:14

God, all the alarm, all the different things. What are you

Andy: 00:21:17

getting out of this, Jenny? And she's also making these false

Andy: 00:21:20

promises, like, oh, the guy from Bloomingdale's who get to be in the

Andy: 00:21:23

meeting.

Steve: 00:21:25

Yeah.

Leif: 00:21:25

Blair appears to take the advice to heart,

Leif: 00:21:28

and let's see if Chuck falls for the bait. I know I

Leif: 00:21:31

would.

Steve: 00:21:32

Yeah.

Leif: 00:21:32

Because blair acting like that. yeah.

Steve: 00:21:35

Yeah. Well, and what's really funny,

Steve: 00:21:38

and I actually. Well, I'll wait till. Because I have the note for the next

Steve: 00:21:41

scene, but because she kind of continues this

Steve: 00:21:43

going on with this

Steve: 00:21:46

spotted.

Leif: 00:21:47

Upper east side beauty laying down the gauntlet for her

Leif: 00:21:49

favorite beast. But careful, princess. It's going

Leif: 00:21:52

to take more than a little leg to get this prince to ravish

Leif: 00:21:55

you. We move into act

Leif: 00:21:58

two, and at the bar, Blair is

Leif: 00:22:01

flirting hard, and Chuck calls out the

Leif: 00:22:04

desperation.

Leif: 00:22:06

E. That's rough for blair.

Steve: 00:22:08

Yeah.

Andy: 00:22:09

I like desperation as the name of a, cologne.

Steve: 00:22:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It smells like

Steve: 00:22:14

desperation.

Andy: 00:22:15

I feel that way whenever I. If I can smell

Andy: 00:22:18

it, like, from far away, it's like. That's what it is. Yeah.

Steve: 00:22:21

Yeah. And Dan's advice was

Steve: 00:22:24

always be around, always be present.

Steve: 00:22:27

It wasn't throw yourself at

Steve: 00:22:30

him and, like, grab his. Grab his

Steve: 00:22:32

crotch at a restaurant. Like, it was

Steve: 00:22:35

like, be there so he's. So

Steve: 00:22:38

you're always in his field of vision. Yeah.

Andy: 00:22:42

Right. It was kind of teased, but not like.

Leif: 00:22:44

But Blair doesn't do half measures.

Steve: 00:22:46

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy: 00:22:48

So I think Dan's advice was right. Rather than her

Andy: 00:22:51

disappearing.

Steve: 00:22:52

No. Yeah.

Leif: 00:22:53

Serena shows up the gallery looking for Dan and meets

Leif: 00:22:56

Rufus new artist Aaron Rose. The pair

Leif: 00:22:58

seemed to be getting on quite well. So what do we think of

Leif: 00:23:01

Aaron?

Steve: 00:23:03

I'm really glad that Serena didn't

Steve: 00:23:06

have anything to put in her mouth, because that's

Steve: 00:23:09

how she flirts. Cause she flirts by trying

Steve: 00:23:11

to sexy lick martini glasses

Steve: 00:23:14

or eat strawberries in a way no one ever eats

Steve: 00:23:17

strawberries. I was worried she's gonna lick the

Steve: 00:23:20

wall.

Andy: 00:23:24

That's a great note. That's really funny.

Steve: 00:23:25

Yeah.

Andy: 00:23:26

Cause she's very obvious. Like, she's there flirting

Andy: 00:23:28

and in. I. You know, it's hard to be. Not

Andy: 00:23:31

hate Aaron Rose just for where it goes. But I just. I

Andy: 00:23:34

like him anyway.

Leif: 00:23:36

Like, he's kind of flat. He's just

Leif: 00:23:39

kind of there. He's Dan light, but, like,

Leif: 00:23:42

Serena has a type. Yeah.

Steve: 00:23:44

Yeah, absolutely.

Andy: 00:23:46

I'm like, dan really does.

Steve: 00:23:48

Like, the boring. Dan's, like,

Steve: 00:23:51

well, the artist.

Andy: 00:23:52

But, like, I'll talk about his arc when we get to the

Andy: 00:23:55

gallery because I'm like, what?

Leif: 00:23:59

and another part of the gallery, Dan and Vanessa

Leif: 00:24:02

are chatting when Dan gets a call from Blaire.

Leif: 00:24:05

Dan gives Blair some additional advice on her

Leif: 00:24:08

quest to bag a bass.

Leif: 00:24:13

yeah. And, of course, that's a

Leif: 00:24:16

judgy reaction to him getting the call from

Leif: 00:24:18

Blair.

Andy: 00:24:19

Yeah, but this is post, you know,

Andy: 00:24:22

her getting ruined recently. Right. So.

Leif: 00:24:24

But she brought that on herself. She just.

Leif: 00:24:27

Out of nowhere.

Steve: 00:24:28

Thank you.

Andy: 00:24:30

No one's innocent. Like,

Andy: 00:24:35

better. Same with Dan, but. And they're. They're all. They're all

Andy: 00:24:38

shit. That's the.

Steve: 00:24:38

Yeah, she just sucks at, like, I

Steve: 00:24:41

just. Because, like, Dan

Steve: 00:24:44

with the whole, like, oh, I need to take this. I felt like he was just trying

Steve: 00:24:47

to get out of the conversation with Vanessa.

Leif: 00:24:50

we talked about this last week, but in the first

Leif: 00:24:53

season, Vanessa was

Leif: 00:24:56

kind of a good person, but she was

Leif: 00:24:58

forced into every situation,

Leif: 00:25:01

and that made the audience hate her. But

Leif: 00:25:04

starting with that last episode, we felt the writers kind of

Leif: 00:25:07

leaned into her being a villain, being that.

Andy: 00:25:10

Yeah, I think that's true. I think that makes sense.

Leif: 00:25:13

And that is more and more as the show goes on, I think.

Andy: 00:25:15

Well, yeah. And it's kind of like they just don't know what to do with

Andy: 00:25:18

her. They put her in there, for some. I mean, I guess

Andy: 00:25:21

for. I mean, honestly, diversity purposes or

Andy: 00:25:24

something. But also, like, okay, let's add more love triangle

Andy: 00:25:27

stuff. That doesn't really.

Leif: 00:25:30

So Vanessa is a character in the books, but

Leif: 00:25:33

she goes to school with everyone else, and

Leif: 00:25:36

she's rich, but she's also an outsider. Her

Leif: 00:25:38

and Dan are kind of like the edgy

Leif: 00:25:41

poets who smoke a million cigarettes a day.

Andy: 00:25:44

That sounds like what's his name, too. Aaron Rose would be.

Steve: 00:25:47

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy: 00:25:49

I was going to say a note about the, like, phone thing. Like, especially with. I

Andy: 00:25:52

mean, we're going to talk about. Well, I guess it's the next thing. But, like, people

Andy: 00:25:55

are just so on their phones. It's obviously gossip girl. But,

Andy: 00:25:58

like, how rude are we? You know, we're with each other. Let's

Andy: 00:26:00

see.

Andy: 00:26:03

Like, do you really look at the phone?

Steve: 00:26:06

I actually have a note for later on that says

Steve: 00:26:08

that people in 2008 didn't turn their ringers

Steve: 00:26:11

off. Yes. Who has their ringer

Steve: 00:26:14

on that much?

Andy: 00:26:16

It's a plot device, so they need to. Right, right.

Steve: 00:26:20

I also feel, though, in 2008, it was kind of a status

Steve: 00:26:23

thing. Like, you had a cell phone and

Steve: 00:26:26

you're.

Leif: 00:26:26

You had the cool ringtone and you.

Steve: 00:26:28

Had the cool ringtone. Yeah.

Andy: 00:26:30

And someone wanted to talk to you and it.

Andy: 00:26:32

Look.

Steve: 00:26:34

Yeah, I'm texting now.

Steve: 00:26:36

Yeah, that's true.

Andy: 00:26:37

That all checks.

Steve: 00:26:38

Yeah.

Leif: 00:26:39

I had this Zelda theme song as my ring ten. I was

Leif: 00:26:42

pretty proud of that one.

Steve: 00:26:44

I actually programmed one. I had a phone that

Steve: 00:26:47

you could program a ringtone, and I put in one of my original

Steve: 00:26:49

songs as my own ringtone.

Steve: 00:26:52

That was neat.

Andy: 00:26:54

Are you going to share that in the show notes?

Andy: 00:26:58

I want to listen to it. I just.

Steve: 00:27:00

Well, it's funny. Well, because it was an old

Steve: 00:27:03

Nokia phone, so it could only do, like, one. Noted.

Steve: 00:27:06

Like,

Steve: 00:27:11

but if you actually. My album on Spotify, it's actually

Steve: 00:27:14

called Crimson poses. The whole song is on Spotify,

Steve: 00:27:17

but it was just the melody for it on a Nokia

Steve: 00:27:20

phone.

Andy: 00:27:20

Nice. Good plug. Mine was boom, boom, boom by

Andy: 00:27:23

the vanguard boys.

Steve: 00:27:24

Oh, yes.

Andy: 00:27:26

Which is, wild and inappropriate.

Leif: 00:27:29

Dan comes to grab Serena to go out to eat and

Leif: 00:27:32

clears up with, Aaron that they are not currently

Leif: 00:27:35

dating.

Leif: 00:27:39

We used to date, but we're not anymore. Totally not dating.

Leif: 00:27:42

We're just friends.

Steve: 00:27:43

Yep.

Andy: 00:27:45

I'm out of this. Fuck these people.

Steve: 00:27:49

I didn't have a note for this scene. There are several scenes in

Steve: 00:27:52

this episode that I felt just went nowhere.

Steve: 00:27:56

In general, I felt this episode didn't

Steve: 00:27:59

go anywhere. But we'll

Steve: 00:28:02

get to that more later. But that's one of these scenes that

Steve: 00:28:05

I just.

Leif: 00:28:06

Okay, well, I feel this is another transition

Leif: 00:28:09

episode.

Steve: 00:28:10

Yeah.

Leif: 00:28:11

We kind of finished up the arcs we were doing before. Now we're going

Leif: 00:28:14

into the next kind of set of arc.

Steve: 00:28:16

I think, going into it knowing it was going to be the

Steve: 00:28:18

Chuck Blair episode eight

Steve: 00:28:21

of the season, I was expecting

Steve: 00:28:25

at least a little bit more.

Leif: 00:28:26

No, seven's the Chuck Blair episode.

Leif: 00:28:29

Oh, the one we just did.

Steve: 00:28:31

Well, they had a big episode here too.

Leif: 00:28:33

Yeah. Did you, guys catch on to that at all?

Leif: 00:28:37

There's episodes in each season that are kind

Leif: 00:28:40

of seven. Or Chuck and Blair ten. Or Dan and

Leif: 00:28:42

Serena at 18 or Dan and Blair.

Andy: 00:28:46

Honestly, no. Well done. I, mean,

Andy: 00:28:49

I feel like we identified the patterns, but we didn't

Andy: 00:28:52

necessarily do the. Like, the numerology.

Leif: 00:28:54

But I love that we talk about

Leif: 00:28:56

this a lot. The writers, while the

Leif: 00:28:59

writing is not good, they know, like,

Leif: 00:29:02

a lot of things about writing.

Steve: 00:29:04

Yeah.

Leif: 00:29:05

And they just drop in, like, all these little nuggets and stuff into the

Leif: 00:29:08

show.

Steve: 00:29:08

We often say that they'd be great writing teachers

Steve: 00:29:11

that, like. And I'm a writing. As a former writing

Steve: 00:29:14

teacher, I'm saying, like, I'm not trying

Steve: 00:29:17

to knock the knock writing teachers, but they really know

Steve: 00:29:20

a lot of the tricks to writing and

Steve: 00:29:22

know the tricks to good writing. It's

Steve: 00:29:25

the actual dialogue and pen to paper

Steve: 00:29:28

stuff that it's like that they get hung up

Steve: 00:29:31

on.

Andy: 00:29:32

And there is a lot of leaning on the classic

Andy: 00:29:35

tropes, but, I mean, that's kind of the tricks of, like, oh, someone's

Andy: 00:29:38

listening in on someone, or someone just shows up, or, you

Andy: 00:29:41

know, like the classic, ooh, someone read the text message.

Andy: 00:29:44

Like, that's half the show.

Steve: 00:29:45

Yeah, exactly.

Leif: 00:29:47

Now, were you a fan of the.

Andy: 00:29:50

I was, yeah.

Leif: 00:29:52

Did you read or listen

Leif: 00:29:55

to the, oral history that came out last year?

Andy: 00:29:57

I did not.

Leif: 00:29:59

Oh, yeah. It was the 20th anniversary.

Leif: 00:30:01

It's worth getting the audiobook as Josh Schwartz,

Leif: 00:30:04

Stephanie Savage, melinda, Clark,

Leif: 00:30:07

Rachel Bilson all read their own parts, on

Leif: 00:30:10

the audiobook, but it's kind of like the behind the

Leif: 00:30:13

scenes, and I'm really hoping we get that for

Leif: 00:30:15

Gossip girl in a couple years for their 20th anniversary.

Andy: 00:30:19

That that would be great. Yeah.

Leif: 00:30:22

Because, like, I have. I have a ton of theories of all the. What's

Leif: 00:30:24

going on behind the scenes, and because

Leif: 00:30:28

it's well known that Josh Schwartz reads message

Leif: 00:30:30

boards, but also, he basically left

Leif: 00:30:33

the show by the end of the first season,

Leif: 00:30:35

right?

Andy: 00:30:36

Yeah. Did he. I mean, was this. Is he on Chuck right

Andy: 00:30:39

now, then?

Leif: 00:30:40

Yeah, they were. They were at the same time. And he definitely

Leif: 00:30:42

focused more on Chuck. because.

Steve: 00:30:44

Yeah.

Leif: 00:30:45

Bigger network. Plus, I think he was just kind of bored with teen dramas at that

Leif: 00:30:48

point.

Andy: 00:30:49

Right. He'd already done the other ones. Yeah, I was a Chuck fan, so

Andy: 00:30:51

I. Yeah.

Leif: 00:30:52

That's good. Yeah, this is good show. At least for a few

Leif: 00:30:54

seasons.

Steve: 00:30:55

Yeah.

Leif: 00:30:56

Jenny and Agnes are out grabbing an,

Leif: 00:30:59

after work drink, and Agnes, like everyone else, loves

Leif: 00:31:02

Jenny's dress. The girls trade outfits, then

Leif: 00:31:05

meet up with Agnes's friend Max.

Leif: 00:31:09

don't like Max.

Andy: 00:31:11

No photos that much.

Steve: 00:31:13

It's creepy. Yeah.

Leif: 00:31:15

And take a picture of the 15 year old girl

Leif: 00:31:18

who's, at a bar.

Steve: 00:31:19

The 15 year old girl at a bar drinking, like,

Steve: 00:31:22

and what do you like? Didn't you just say, oh, I'm gonna have to

Steve: 00:31:25

work on this all night, and now you're at a fucking bar?

Steve: 00:31:28

Like, what the fuck is, going on

Steve: 00:31:31

in your head?

Leif: 00:31:33

She's 15.

Steve: 00:31:34

Yeah, but, like, she.

Andy: 00:31:35

When you do. When you.

Steve: 00:31:36

Yeah.

Leif: 00:31:37

And this older girls do tell her, come out, Marty.

Steve: 00:31:40

I mean, come on.

Andy: 00:31:41

This older model, I would have said.

Leif: 00:31:43

I totally would.

Andy: 00:31:45

Well, and she's the model also, and, like, is

Andy: 00:31:48

playing the, like, ooh, I know that. I mean, she knows the

Andy: 00:31:51

industry. She has connections. That's what Max is, right?

Steve: 00:31:54

Yeah.

Andy: 00:31:54

And that's so gross and scary about

Andy: 00:31:57

it because it's like, oh, Jenny, this is another

Andy: 00:32:00

way, another path, especially since Eleanor right now is.

Andy: 00:32:03

Doesn't seem like, the right fit more because she's

Andy: 00:32:05

exploiting Jenny. So it's like, I feel

Andy: 00:32:08

for Jenny a lot, and, I mean, obviously,

Andy: 00:32:11

Jenny doesn't act very well in the show ever, but

Andy: 00:32:14

she's a child, and the show is very

Andy: 00:32:17

predatory, toward her throughout.

Steve: 00:32:19

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 00:32:21

Jenny's, my favorite character.

Andy: 00:32:23

Nice.

Steve: 00:32:24

Yeah.

Leif: 00:32:25

Dan and Serena are, trying to have a

Leif: 00:32:28

conversation but keep getting interrupted by Blair's

Leif: 00:32:31

status update texts.

Steve: 00:32:35

This was another one of those,

Steve: 00:32:37

you know, they're trying to force Dan and Serena together

Steve: 00:32:41

to this conversation. And then the cell

Steve: 00:32:43

phone going off, it's just. It didn't seem

Steve: 00:32:46

necessary. Like, it just felt forced and

Steve: 00:32:49

unnecessary.

Andy: 00:32:50

yeah, I agree. I don't think it. I mean, it didn't really build any

Andy: 00:32:53

tension other than, like, yeah, Dan's annoyed by it

Andy: 00:32:56

or, like, doesn't fit in this, but he's. He's playing the game because

Andy: 00:32:59

he wants to be with Serena, so.

Steve: 00:33:00

Yeah.

Andy: 00:33:00

Like, I think we've already hit that note several

Andy: 00:33:02

times, but, yeah, I'm with you.

Leif: 00:33:05

Chuck comes home, a crumpled paper bag of

Leif: 00:33:08

porn in hand to find Blair relaxing in

Leif: 00:33:10

Serena's room. Blair almost gets what she

Leif: 00:33:13

wants, but Chuck discovers the text conversation with

Leif: 00:33:16

Serena and managed to. Once again, cool is

Leif: 00:33:18

jets.

Steve: 00:33:19

This is the. This is where I had the cell phone note because

Steve: 00:33:22

the text messages that keep going off.

Andy: 00:33:25

Yeah, yeah.

Leif: 00:33:25

The show is really, going hard on the masturbation on this

Leif: 00:33:28

episode, though.

Steve: 00:33:29

Yeah. Yeah, they are.

Andy: 00:33:31

The seduction. Like, lingerie was one of my other,

Andy: 00:33:34

like, favorite outfits. is that where we are

Andy: 00:33:37

right there?

Steve: 00:33:38

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Leif: 00:33:39

Chuck's the guy who goes out and buy,

Leif: 00:33:42

gets poured and gets it in a big paper

Leif: 00:33:45

bag that looks super chic.

Leif: 00:33:49

This is 2008, and he had the Internet.

Andy: 00:33:51

Yeah, no, it was very weird, but it seems like

Andy: 00:33:54

something he would do.

Steve: 00:33:55

I like that. Right? The guy that really, like,

Steve: 00:33:58

idolizes old school, like, yeah. You

Steve: 00:34:01

know, playboys and

Steve: 00:34:03

gangsters.

Andy: 00:34:04

Yeah, maybe that was, like, a vintage issue. Like,

Andy: 00:34:07

he went shopping and, like, tried to really, like he

Andy: 00:34:10

was.

Leif: 00:34:10

Eight millimeter film.

Steve: 00:34:11

Yeah, I'd like the 1972

Steve: 00:34:14

December shootdev.

Leif: 00:34:17

Right.

Leif: 00:34:20

He would find, JFK and Marilyn Monroe's sex

Leif: 00:34:22

tape. Yeah, buddy, go meet her fill.

Andy: 00:34:25

Oh, man, that's a worthwhile

Andy: 00:34:28

search.

Steve: 00:34:28

Yeah.

Leif: 00:34:32

we get a photo montage of Jenny with

Leif: 00:34:35

Agnes wearing Jenny's dress. Then she. The

Leif: 00:34:38

scene cuts to them sitting at the bar. Agnes

Leif: 00:34:40

friend Max gets super creepy super quick.

Leif: 00:34:43

And Jenny bails for the party, but forgets to get her dressed

Leif: 00:34:46

before Agnes leaves.

Steve: 00:34:48

Yeah, so fucking creepy.

Leif: 00:34:51

Good for Jenny for getting out of that situation.

Steve: 00:34:53

Yes.

Leif: 00:34:53

Shame she didn't. Wasn't a little quicker with a

Leif: 00:34:56

dress?

Steve: 00:34:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy: 00:34:58

She. I mean, she shouldn't have swapped dresses so

Andy: 00:35:01

quickly. It's the same thing, same problem with

Andy: 00:35:04

Eleanor.

Leif: 00:35:04

That means they got, like, naked in a bar bathroom.

Leif: 00:35:07

Yeah, it's kind of.

Andy: 00:35:09

That was not a good bathroom, I imagine.

Andy: 00:35:13

but of course, they all fit the same. Everyone's

Andy: 00:35:16

like, oh, of course.

Steve: 00:35:17

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Andy: 00:35:19

Although I guess they have similar builds. They're both just, like, tall,

Andy: 00:35:22

skinny.

Steve: 00:35:22

Yeah.

Andy: 00:35:23

I don't know.

Leif: 00:35:24

Sorry, Jay, but in the real world, you can't take a

Leif: 00:35:27

note to the principal when the drunken model eats your homework.

Leif: 00:35:32

The next morning, Agnes delivers the dress to a

Leif: 00:35:34

frustrated Jenny. Agnes advises her not

Leif: 00:35:37

to just hand it over her work to Eleanor.

Leif: 00:35:40

Good advice, I think.

Steve: 00:35:42

Yeah, yeah. And that line

Steve: 00:35:45

that, she's like. Or they're gonna say that your stuff looks like

Steve: 00:35:48

Eleanor's. You know, like.

Andy: 00:35:50

Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. Like, once

Andy: 00:35:53

Eleanor takes credit for that one, and that's her

Andy: 00:35:56

style, you're kind of screwed. It, needs

Andy: 00:35:59

to be a collab. It needs to be like,

Andy: 00:36:02

yeah, no, she is being taken advantage of, and I think there's just a

Andy: 00:36:04

way to thread the needle. Maybe that's a pun

Andy: 00:36:07

intended, but, I don't know, I just like. Yeah,

Andy: 00:36:10

I like what Agnes is saying, but she's also

Andy: 00:36:13

just why we trust in this lady who was

Andy: 00:36:16

such an asshole to you. She's so fake, just like everyone.

Steve: 00:36:19

Yeah, yeah. And

Steve: 00:36:22

she's coming across as fake and also like,

Steve: 00:36:25

aren't you sabotaging your own career by,

Steve: 00:36:28

like, telling that you're modeling

Steve: 00:36:31

for the Waldorf company and now you're telling one of

Steve: 00:36:34

their, like, interns? No, fuck

Steve: 00:36:37

this place. You should be doing your own thing.

Steve: 00:36:39

Like, that doesn't seem like a good career move.

Steve: 00:36:42

Cause Eleanor is pretty picky about who she works with.

Leif: 00:36:45

Well, she is, like, 17, so she's on her way out at this.

Steve: 00:36:47

Point, she's already retirement age

Steve: 00:36:50

fair.

Andy: 00:36:52

I mean, or it, like, shows. I mean, how it shows to

Andy: 00:36:55

Jenny is like, oh, my God, this person's legit. And, like, sees something

Andy: 00:36:58

in me. And. But also, if we trust Agnes is, like,

Andy: 00:37:01

knowing anything about this world, it shows really

Andy: 00:37:04

poorly on Eleanor. Right. That she actually sees Jenny as a better

Andy: 00:37:07

investment for her, you know? Like,

Andy: 00:37:10

that's why she's doing it.

Steve: 00:37:11

Right.

Andy: 00:37:11

Like, this has to help Agnes or Max. Like, because

Andy: 00:37:14

it's, like some cult thing or, you know, whatever.

Steve: 00:37:17

Yeah.

Andy: 00:37:17

but, yeah, it is wild. Like, I was thinking

Andy: 00:37:20

about that, too. Like, what other jobs is she doing? As she knows all these

Andy: 00:37:23

people at nylon or whatever?

Steve: 00:37:25

Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah.

Leif: 00:37:27

they gave that, like, a lot of the casted interviews with that magazine,

Leif: 00:37:30

so I think they're kind of hooked in with the show.

Andy: 00:37:33

Yeah.

Leif: 00:37:35

Serena brings Blair to Brooklyn for more advice from

Leif: 00:37:37

Dan, but really, she was just using as excuse to

Leif: 00:37:40

see Aaron again.

Steve: 00:37:41

No notes.

Leif: 00:37:42

Yeah, yeah.

Andy: 00:37:44

Do we like. Well, I mean, I guess I was going to talk about the Blair

Andy: 00:37:47

outfit, the Joker outfit. Do we like the Joker

Andy: 00:37:50

outfit?

Steve: 00:37:51

Yeah, I was thrown by that. Yeah.

Andy: 00:37:56

Yeah. They would have worked separately. Like, they were both a

Andy: 00:37:59

good top, a good bottom, but, like, together, it's just like.

Steve: 00:38:02

Yeah, yeah, very. Yeah. It was kind of jarring

Steve: 00:38:04

and, Yeah. And I felt

Steve: 00:38:07

like it was trying to almost do a mix of

Steve: 00:38:10

her style and Chuck style because Chuck is so

Steve: 00:38:13

purple. Right. So much of the time,

Steve: 00:38:16

and it didn't. It didn't work.

Andy: 00:38:18

Oh, maybe that was sort of what it was. It was like this half and half

Andy: 00:38:21

this, like. And that's why it didn't work, because she's

Andy: 00:38:24

in there, like, on opposite ends of this.

Andy: 00:38:27

Not. There's not a blend of it or.

Steve: 00:38:29

Yeah, yeah.

Andy: 00:38:30

Other. Or, They're losing themselves in this game.

Steve: 00:38:33

Yeah, yeah, I did that. I did find

Steve: 00:38:36

that the outfit caught my eye enough to be

Steve: 00:38:38

symbolic.

Leif: 00:38:39

So Aaron and Serena flirt

Leif: 00:38:42

for a bit while we see a nice conversation between Dan and

Leif: 00:38:45

Blair. We once again see Blair get vulnerable

Leif: 00:38:48

with Dan.

Steve: 00:38:49

Yeah, I was waiting for her to pull out strawberries

Steve: 00:38:51

again and just start sexy eating.

Leif: 00:38:54

Serena.

Steve: 00:38:54

Serena. Yeah.

Leif: 00:38:55

But, yeah, the player getting vulnerable with that

Leif: 00:38:58

is a, reference to, 104 with bad, news.

Leif: 00:39:01

Blair.

Steve: 00:39:02

Yeah, yeah, I always. Yeah, go

Steve: 00:39:05

ahead, Andy.

Andy: 00:39:05

Oh, no, no, no. I was just going to say that I really. I just

Andy: 00:39:08

like, there's something nice about that vulnerability

Andy: 00:39:11

that we don't see from Blair ever. But, like, she hates

Andy: 00:39:14

Dan, yet she is just sort of very,

Andy: 00:39:17

like, honest and real in a way that even.

Leif: 00:39:19

Like, I, guess she just doesn't care what he. What he thinks

Leif: 00:39:22

at all at this point.

Steve: 00:39:24

But I feel like there's this moment in the end of that

Steve: 00:39:26

conversation, too, where you see her

Steve: 00:39:30

look at him differently, and you can see that she's

Steve: 00:39:33

seeing him differently. And I, And again,

Steve: 00:39:36

I mean, that's Leighton Meester just fucking

Steve: 00:39:38

crushing the acting chops every

Steve: 00:39:41

step of the way. But she just really conveyed that,

Steve: 00:39:44

like, switch that changed in

Steve: 00:39:47

her, the way she looked at him.

Leif: 00:39:49

And I actually did write down this quote from Dan.

Leif: 00:39:51

You have to decide what's more important to you.

Leif: 00:39:54

Keeping your pride in getting nothing or taking a

Leif: 00:39:57

risk and maybe. Maybe having

Leif: 00:40:00

everything. I thought that was a really good line.

Steve: 00:40:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy: 00:40:04

He's right.

Steve: 00:40:05

You know, it's like, think about that sometimes.

Andy: 00:40:08

M he should follow his own advice. Yeah.

Steve: 00:40:11

Yeah, yeah.

Andy: 00:40:14

I loved it. And I also. I just think

Andy: 00:40:17

I like what you're saying about Blair having that moment of

Andy: 00:40:20

seeing Dan in a new light. I think there's. It's almost like

Andy: 00:40:23

a, oh, I can see why Serena maybe likes this guy

Andy: 00:40:26

and keeps him around, but it's also like, oh, he might actually be

Andy: 00:40:28

useful.

Steve: 00:40:30

She sees value in him. Yes.

Andy: 00:40:34

That's how players everyone.

Steve: 00:40:36

Yeah, that was actually one of the. One of

Steve: 00:40:38

the phrasings that I use talking about it with. With

Steve: 00:40:41

Robin. Yeah. She sees value in

Steve: 00:40:44

him.

Andy: 00:40:44

Now, side note,

Andy: 00:40:47

I just find it hilarious that. Okay, so Steve is my dad's

Andy: 00:40:50

name. Robin is my sister's name. And I just

Andy: 00:40:53

was like, oh, and then we also. I'm just

Andy: 00:40:56

like, plus we got Aaron and

Andy: 00:40:59

Aaron.

Leif: 00:40:59

Yeah, yeah, Aaron and Aaron.

Andy: 00:41:01

Yeah, exactly. I'm just like, we're all over the

Andy: 00:41:04

place. A lot of magic going.

Leif: 00:41:07

at the atelier, Eleanor

Leif: 00:41:09

shuts Jenny down again. Jenny

Leif: 00:41:12

has had enough. Jenny takes her

Leif: 00:41:15

metaphorical ball and goes home,

Leif: 00:41:18

grabs the dress, and. Yeah, even the

Leif: 00:41:21

original one from the two weeks ago.

Steve: 00:41:23

Yeah, the green.

Andy: 00:41:24

Yeah.

Steve: 00:41:24

I really liked this scene. I thought

Steve: 00:41:27

that it was, first of all, these are two,

Steve: 00:41:30

again, really powerhouse actors. Two of the better

Steve: 00:41:33

actors on the show go. And I really

Steve: 00:41:35

love when they have scenes together, and this is their

Steve: 00:41:38

first real con, a, big conflict.

Steve: 00:41:41

Yeah. And I. And where both

Steve: 00:41:44

of them make good points and both

Steve: 00:41:47

of them are speaking very true

Steve: 00:41:50

things, and. And so it just is

Steve: 00:41:53

a very honest, real world

Steve: 00:41:56

sort of momentous. It was a very

Steve: 00:41:59

gripping moment. I felt probably the best scene in the. In

Steve: 00:42:02

the episode.

Andy: 00:42:02

I was. Yeah, I was just kind of like, I agree.

Andy: 00:42:05

They both have good points, but I just, like, Eleanor says it herself. Like,

Andy: 00:42:08

why is she giving all this responsibility to a child?

Steve: 00:42:11

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy: 00:42:14

You know, it's your fault, Eleanor. That's what. You're the boss,

Andy: 00:42:17

and you're.

Steve: 00:42:18

Yeah, it does come down to Eleanor needed to be the

Steve: 00:42:21

grown up all along, but she was taking advantage of this,

Steve: 00:42:24

kidde, and. And I don't know that

Steve: 00:42:26

Eleanor really fully would have put it in those

Steve: 00:42:29

words until that moment. And I think that Eleanor kind of

Steve: 00:42:32

realized what she was doing in that moment, too,

Steve: 00:42:35

but wasn't going to stop doing it.

Andy: 00:42:37

Yeah, I hope so. I don't know if I. If I.

Andy: 00:42:40

If she's learned that lesson yet. Maybe, like, once she's.

Steve: 00:42:42

Yeah.

Andy: 00:42:43

Out the door, you're like, oh, what have I done? I did go a

Andy: 00:42:45

little better. Yeah.

Steve: 00:42:47

Once she loses the

Steve: 00:42:49

designer, that's. That's going to keep her company

Steve: 00:42:52

afloat, you know? Like.

Andy: 00:42:54

Exactly.

Leif: 00:42:55

Yeah. The only one selling stuff.

Steve: 00:42:57

Yeah.

Leif: 00:43:00

Blair once again decides to take Dan's advice

Leif: 00:43:03

as she texts Chuck, implying she will tell him she

Leif: 00:43:05

loves him tonight. yeah, let's say she's

Leif: 00:43:08

gonna take the advice, see what happens.

Andy: 00:43:11

Maybe. We'll see. But Chuck's purple,

Andy: 00:43:14

vast, and pleated pants. Great outfit.

Leif: 00:43:16

Nice.

Steve: 00:43:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Leif: 00:43:23

We move into act three at the gallery,

Leif: 00:43:26

Dan and Rufus are admiring a successful

Leif: 00:43:29

opening. Blair and Serena shows up, and for

Leif: 00:43:31

a second, Rufus thinks there's something going on with

Leif: 00:43:34

Dan.

Steve: 00:43:35

Blair, he refers to her as

Steve: 00:43:37

that girl. That girl has been here twice

Steve: 00:43:40

in one day.

Leif: 00:43:42

Of course. Yeah.

Andy: 00:43:43

That's actually.

Leif: 00:43:43

Of course that means we're having sex.

Steve: 00:43:45

Yeah.

Leif: 00:43:45

Way to go, Rufus.

Steve: 00:43:47

Yep.

Andy: 00:43:48

Fair. I think that's a fair assumption, you know, based on the

Andy: 00:43:51

show and these people. But also, I like, that's. It's funny that that's

Andy: 00:43:53

how, like, Blair would talk about Rufus like, that man.

Andy: 00:43:56

We're like, it's the same.

Leif: 00:43:57

Yeah.

Steve: 00:43:58

Yeah. Although she'd

Steve: 00:44:00

do it. She would be more like that washed up

Steve: 00:44:03

80, that washed up rock star from the nineties.

Leif: 00:44:09

Blair and Serena informed Dan that Blair is going

Leif: 00:44:12

to tell Chuck her feelings at the opening tonight. However,

Leif: 00:44:15

she is nervous and in need of a drink.

Leif: 00:44:20

Oh, I'll go get that for you.

Steve: 00:44:21

Yeah.

Leif: 00:44:24

She doesn't really ask, but she's like. She asked

Leif: 00:44:26

without asking.

Steve: 00:44:27

Yeah. She tells him that. Yeah, it was.

Steve: 00:44:30

I loved it.

Leif: 00:44:31

Dan goes to fetch her drink. When he bumps into

Leif: 00:44:34

Vanessa. V. Informs Dan about Chuck and Blair's

Leif: 00:44:37

rule intention scheme from last episode.

Steve: 00:44:40

Yeah. How dare they get mad at me. For

Steve: 00:44:43

blackmail. How dare Blair get bad at

Steve: 00:44:46

back at me for blackmailing her?

Steve: 00:44:49

Like, Vanessa, that whole thing happened

Steve: 00:44:52

because you went to Blair and blackmailed her.

Steve: 00:44:54

If you never did that, they

Steve: 00:44:57

never scheme against you,

Steve: 00:45:01

as Chuck likes to.

Leif: 00:45:02

Say about that I don't think about you.

Steve: 00:45:04

Yeah.

Leif: 00:45:06

Aaron asks Serena out. Serena, after a

Leif: 00:45:09

glance towards Dan, tells Aaron she isn't dating

Leif: 00:45:12

right now. He gives her a mysterious riddle and

Leif: 00:45:15

walks away.

Andy: 00:45:16

Cecil the caterpillar.

Steve: 00:45:17

Yeah. Cecil the caterpillar.

Leif: 00:45:19

What is going on here?

Steve: 00:45:20

But this is where when he talks about his dog

Steve: 00:45:22

mookie, and he says, my

Steve: 00:45:25

mookie? My dog mookie. My mom or my

Steve: 00:45:28

grandma named him. He. She's a big Mets fan.

Steve: 00:45:31

My wife trying to flirt with me goes,

Steve: 00:45:34

mookie bets. And I'm like, no, it's like,

Steve: 00:45:37

it's. I appreciate the attempt, but it's

Steve: 00:45:40

actually Mookie Wilson from the Mets. the Mets

Steve: 00:45:43

outfielder from. From the.

Steve: 00:45:45

Throughout the eighties, and then he was a first

Steve: 00:45:48

base coach throughout, like, the. The late

Steve: 00:45:50

nineties, early two thousands.

Steve: 00:45:53

So Mookie Wilson. Not that mo.

Steve: 00:45:56

Or. And it's also not Mookie Blaylock. My wife was like, there's

Steve: 00:45:59

seriously more than one person named Mookie? Like,

Steve: 00:46:01

there's at least three athletes named Mookie.

Leif: 00:46:06

Yeah.

Steve: 00:46:07

and the Pearl Jam's original name

Steve: 00:46:10

was Mookie Blaylock because they are big. Mookie

Steve: 00:46:13

Blaylock fans.

Leif: 00:46:14

Did not know that.

Steve: 00:46:15

Yeah.

Andy: 00:46:16

That's a fun tidbit.

Steve: 00:46:18

Yeah.

Andy: 00:46:19

Can we talk a little bit about Aaron Rose's art here?

Leif: 00:46:22

Sure.

Steve: 00:46:23

Oh, go for it.

Andy: 00:46:24

This is a hit show. This is a hit gallery opening. Like, Rufus

Andy: 00:46:27

says. Like, oh, this makes all my other ones look like shit, basically.

Steve: 00:46:30

Like, yeah, I.

Andy: 00:46:31

It's very impressive. Like, this guy's, like, 20, you know,

Andy: 00:46:34

whatever it is. But I'm looking at it, and it's like, from

Andy: 00:46:37

what I could understand, it was a glowing orb in the middle that

Andy: 00:46:40

kind of went blue and red or changed colors, and then

Andy: 00:46:43

there's just a bunch of words on the wall, which

Andy: 00:46:46

they were never clear enough to read or never

Andy: 00:46:48

interesting enough to remember, you know, like.

Andy: 00:46:51

But it was like a text. And as far as I could tell,

Andy: 00:46:54

that was the art exhibit. Like, was

Andy: 00:46:57

it like, what the fuck is

Andy: 00:47:00

this?

Leif: 00:47:00

Well, it's like, whenever you get a glimpse of

Leif: 00:47:03

Dan's writing.

Andy: 00:47:05

Yeah.

Leif: 00:47:06

We just have to accept that it's brilliant.

Steve: 00:47:08

And Jenny's designs.

Andy: 00:47:11

That's true. I mean, you. Yeah. Sorry. I did not

Andy: 00:47:14

like Jenny's designs. But you're all about it. So I'm glad.

Steve: 00:47:16

I mean, this. Ah, not all of her designs.

Steve: 00:47:19

And we've gone back and forth on them, too. Like. Like,

Steve: 00:47:22

the green dress that she still takes at the end.

Steve: 00:47:25

I hate it. But. But I think you really like

Steve: 00:47:28

that one, right?

Leif: 00:47:29

I mean, it's a couture dress, so it's, like,

Leif: 00:47:32

it's not something you actually.

Steve: 00:47:34

Wear, which means custom.

Leif: 00:47:36

That's not something you actually wear.

Andy: 00:47:38

Yeah, but I feel like those are, like,

Andy: 00:47:41

there is utility. There is artistry in the m making of those.

Andy: 00:47:44

This. Yeah. I don't know. There was something with the microphones at the

Andy: 00:47:47

beginning where, like.

Leif: 00:47:48

Yeah.

Steve: 00:47:49

Yeah.

Leif: 00:47:49

Cause, like, he's. Like, he wants to listen to what everyone's saying about his

Leif: 00:47:52

art.

Steve: 00:47:52

Yeah, but we're never really creepy.

Andy: 00:47:54

Yeah, well, it's creepy, so, like, yeah,

Andy: 00:47:57

potentially could be interesting if, like, the whole thing is just

Andy: 00:48:00

everyone judging his art. Like, that's actually kind of funny

Andy: 00:48:03

and really brave, like, wants

Andy: 00:48:06

that, and it's just this, like, weird

Andy: 00:48:08

bouncing around of people talking, but it's not that at all,

Andy: 00:48:11

so I don't, like, that. Never comes back. So. m but,

Andy: 00:48:14

yeah, I know. It's just sort of, like, ooh, it's abstract, and look at how

Andy: 00:48:17

cool he is.

Steve: 00:48:18

Yeah. Yeah, he's got a big ball. Yeah, he's

Steve: 00:48:21

got,

Steve: 00:48:24

you mentioned him being, like, 20 or something, but

Steve: 00:48:27

they. They say that he went. He

Steve: 00:48:30

went to Rhode Island.

Steve: 00:48:32

Rhode island school of design with

Steve: 00:48:35

Max. Right?

Andy: 00:48:37

Yes.

Steve: 00:48:38

So they. They both

Steve: 00:48:40

went to that school, implying that they

Steve: 00:48:42

graduated, which would imply

Steve: 00:48:45

closer to, like,

Steve: 00:48:46

2221-2223

Steve: 00:48:51

a certain thing for them.

Andy: 00:48:52

M. It would be, an artist thing to, like, you know,

Andy: 00:48:55

drop out and start a, you know, like, do his work.

Leif: 00:48:58

Right. It is an art school.

Andy: 00:49:01

Well, but, like, maybe he's just like, oh, I'm better than

Andy: 00:49:04

risti.

Leif: 00:49:05

Well, that's where my big point is.

Steve: 00:49:08

Let's just put a pin on that for the. For the

Steve: 00:49:11

caterpillar thing that we get to later on.

Andy: 00:49:14

Yes. I see what you're dropping.

Steve: 00:49:16

Yes. Yeah.

Leif: 00:49:21

Serena gives Blair some last minute encouragement.

Leif: 00:49:23

However, before Blair can go meet Chuck on the roof, Dan

Leif: 00:49:26

stops her to poison the water, intentionally killing

Leif: 00:49:29

Blair's confidence.

Steve: 00:49:31

You don't want your obituary to say you died in

Steve: 00:49:33

Brooklyn.

Leif: 00:49:38

Serena knows her so well.

Steve: 00:49:40

Yeah, the zingers in this

Steve: 00:49:43

episode were on point. Yeah, I will give it

Steve: 00:49:46

that. There are a lot of great one liners.

Leif: 00:49:49

Jenny shows up at the gallery ready to confess to

Leif: 00:49:52

Rufus about losing her job, but Agnes is there to

Leif: 00:49:54

intercept her. Agnes paints a picture of

Leif: 00:49:57

fame and fortune, luring Jenny back towards

Leif: 00:50:00

the dark side.

Andy: 00:50:02

Yeah. I mean, I'd probably be screwed by Agnes

Andy: 00:50:05

because I'd be like, ooh, nylon wants to run a feature. Like,

Andy: 00:50:08

okay, yeah, but, like, I totally

Andy: 00:50:11

had Jenny's. Like, I'm 15. I don't have a job. Like, what do you. I

Andy: 00:50:14

don't have any money. But, no, Agnes is, She's got

Andy: 00:50:16

something, you know? I believes me. That's what I'm. That's what

Andy: 00:50:20

if I'm Jenny, I'm like, oh, my God, I just want to be believed in.

Steve: 00:50:22

When I was, like, 20, I worked at this

Steve: 00:50:25

restaurant with a. With a cook who was like, oh, yeah. And

Steve: 00:50:28

I also. He heard that I was working on,

Steve: 00:50:31

like, a screenplay or something, for a course in college or

Steve: 00:50:34

something, and he, Or that I was interested in

Steve: 00:50:37

film or whatever, and he's like, oh, I write for

Steve: 00:50:40

this for a magazine. I write for sight

Steve: 00:50:42

and sound, the film magazine. I'll show you some stuff.

Steve: 00:50:45

I'm like, oh, cool. And so, like, we. He

Steve: 00:50:48

told me, like, oh, yes, we're going to go to this party, like, get your

Steve: 00:50:51

stuff. Where, do you mind driving? And I'm like, no, not at all.

Steve: 00:50:54

He takes me to this bar up in North

Steve: 00:50:57

Jersey, and he introduces me to someone

Steve: 00:51:00

that he calls will Eisner, saying that he's introducing

Steve: 00:51:02

me to will Eisner of Disney fame.

Steve: 00:51:05

And this dude that he introduces me to

Steve: 00:51:08

is, like, in his, like,

Steve: 00:51:11

fifties, long, gray,

Steve: 00:51:14

like, rocker hair. This

Steve: 00:51:17

dude, like, was by no means

Steve: 00:51:20

will Eisner or any kind of. I

Steve: 00:51:23

mean, it turns out that I was there to drive this guy so he

Steve: 00:51:26

could buy his coke.

Steve: 00:51:28

So when I see Agnes, I

Steve: 00:51:31

just keep thinking, like, where's

Steve: 00:51:34

the coke?

Andy: 00:51:36

100%. Agnes. That is like, you

Andy: 00:51:39

had an agnes in your life. I'm sorry.

Steve: 00:51:41

I really did.

Leif: 00:51:42

Yeah.

Andy: 00:51:48

And that was, like, Max that he.

Steve: 00:51:49

She.

Andy: 00:51:50

The guy introduced you to.

Steve: 00:51:51

Yeah, right. Yeah.

Steve: 00:51:55

Unreal. Yeah, exactly.

Leif: 00:51:57

Nate is.

Steve: 00:51:58

Yeah.

Leif: 00:51:58

Nate is talking to Jenny as she is getting ready to

Leif: 00:52:01

leave with Max and Agnese. Nate is rightfully

Leif: 00:52:04

concerned about a much older max, the good guy.

Leif: 00:52:07

Nate, looking out.

Steve: 00:52:08

Yeah, Nate is doing a lot of. Oh,

Steve: 00:52:11

go ahead, please.

Andy: 00:52:12

No, no, you go for it. I interrupted.

Steve: 00:52:13

Go. No, I was just going to say he does a lot of big

Steve: 00:52:16

brother stuff in this. Yeah, like. Like, he's

Steve: 00:52:19

very big brotherly. And we know that,

Steve: 00:52:22

you know, we know how it turns out, and we know how it

Steve: 00:52:25

started, like, coming out of the bathroom and just their

Steve: 00:52:28

history together. But there is a lot of, like, big

Steve: 00:52:31

bro stuff. I feel.

Leif: 00:52:33

Yeah. I think that the bad. The coming out of the bats is kind

Leif: 00:52:36

of supposed to imply that they've been in close

Leif: 00:52:39

quarters for, like, a week or so now.

Steve: 00:52:41

Yeah.

Leif: 00:52:41

Like, things have been building up.

Steve: 00:52:42

Yeah, yeah, I got that.

Andy: 00:52:44

Well, and. Yeah. But it all clearly was like, ooh, we're

Andy: 00:52:47

awkward. And there's some. You know, I like this

Andy: 00:52:49

moment they both had.

Leif: 00:52:51

we are not related, but we are in a situation

Leif: 00:52:54

where related people are normally.

Steve: 00:52:56

Yeah.

Andy: 00:52:58

Much better. Yeah.

Steve: 00:53:01

And we're. And we're both very beautiful.

Steve: 00:53:03

Yes.

Andy: 00:53:06

Yeah. I would say that, like, yeah, he's being very big brothery. But I

Andy: 00:53:09

also know why that comes off as annoying and why it does

Andy: 00:53:12

not work, you know, because he is like. And

Andy: 00:53:14

again, we also know his intentions kind of too. So,

Andy: 00:53:17

like, I mean, sort of like, we find.

Leif: 00:53:20

I don't think. I don't think they really even

Leif: 00:53:23

realizes that he has feelings yet. he has them, but I don't think

Leif: 00:53:26

he realizes.

Steve: 00:53:26

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 00:53:27

Until she kisses them. I don't.

Andy: 00:53:29

Nice, farah.

Leif: 00:53:30

Yeah, they should. Not very. He can't pick up his own

Leif: 00:53:33

feelings, let alone other people.

Steve: 00:53:34

Yeah. I guess when he says to her, when she

Steve: 00:53:37

asks. Well, we'll get to that.

Andy: 00:53:39

Yeah, I think you're right. Nate can only do one thing at

Andy: 00:53:42

once. Or, like, can carry one, like, idea, one

Andy: 00:53:45

training thought.

Steve: 00:53:45

Yeah, he's

Steve: 00:53:48

not.

Andy: 00:53:49

That's what's happening. Like, this is bad.

Steve: 00:53:51

He's not that deep.

Leif: 00:53:54

Yeah.

Andy: 00:53:54

No, also, at least this is in the right

Andy: 00:53:57

place. Here,

Leif: 00:54:00

On the roof, we find Dan clearly got into Blair's

Leif: 00:54:03

head, who is now hesitant to confess her feelings to

Leif: 00:54:06

chuck. You can cut the tension with a knife.

Leif: 00:54:09

Still, neither Chuck nor Blair are, ready to be the first

Leif: 00:54:12

one to say those three little words.

Andy: 00:54:14

So frustrating.

Steve: 00:54:16

Yeah. Ed Westwick,

Steve: 00:54:19

keep the Batman voice. Cause you start.

Steve: 00:54:22

Your britain starts showing through when you start

Steve: 00:54:24

losing the bat. When he starts, like, going into

Steve: 00:54:27

regular talking or tries to yell, it just. He

Steve: 00:54:30

starts slipping right back into it. Yeah,

Steve: 00:54:34

you can start hearing those little bits. It

Steve: 00:54:36

is.

Andy: 00:54:37

Yeah. I wish they'd stop playing games, but that's the

Andy: 00:54:40

show.

Steve: 00:54:41

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Steve: 00:54:43

Sorry. We've got at least three more seasons.

Steve: 00:54:48

Four more. See? Four and a half.

Leif: 00:54:49

Yeah. Nate asks Aaron about Max, who basically

Leif: 00:54:52

confirms he's a scumbag. Also interesting that Aaron doesn't

Leif: 00:54:55

really consider that a big deal. As long as Max isn't hurting someone he

Leif: 00:54:58

cares about. But I doubt the show has the software

Leif: 00:55:01

awareness. Back in 2008.

Steve: 00:55:03

Yes.

Andy: 00:55:05

You could go no for it.

Steve: 00:55:06

No, I just have that if. If he's not a

Steve: 00:55:09

good guy when he's dating your sister, he's not a good guy.

Leif: 00:55:12

Yeah.

Andy: 00:55:13

That was literally my note. I just. Yeah, you

Andy: 00:55:16

just, like, fuck you, Aaron, for whatever that is.

Andy: 00:55:19

Like, that says a lot about this guy, guys.

Leif: 00:55:22

Yeah.

Andy: 00:55:23

Yeah. And that's totally. I. You know, I've been around those

Andy: 00:55:26

guys. I've been in those groups, too, where it's just like, we have,

Andy: 00:55:29

like, there's this, like, tunnel vision

Andy: 00:55:32

thing, and to be like, oh, right. He's my

Andy: 00:55:35

bro. Like, he's my.

Steve: 00:55:36

He supports looking out for him. Yeah.

Steve: 00:55:39

Ah, yeah. And the bro code and all that

Steve: 00:55:42

and all that shit. And it's like, you know, yeah, sure, he

Steve: 00:55:45

leaves a wake of women with PTSD, but,

Steve: 00:55:48

like, he's. Other than that, he's a good guy.

Leif: 00:55:52

He watched. He picked up the tag last

Leif: 00:55:54

week.

Andy: 00:55:57

Drink with if you're a dude. But everyone else, like,

Andy: 00:56:00

that's it. Yeah, no, it's a. Alarm bells in that

Andy: 00:56:03

scene, especially. Especially as we go. I was like, oh,

Andy: 00:56:06

no.

Steve: 00:56:06

Yeah.

Andy: 00:56:07

yeah.

Leif: 00:56:08

Blair tells Serena that her rendezvous with Chuck was

Leif: 00:56:11

a complete failure and leaves the party.

Leif: 00:56:13

Dan admits to Serena that he had a part in Chuck and Blair's

Leif: 00:56:16

blow up, which infuriates Serena.

Steve: 00:56:22

His attitude.

Steve: 00:56:25

Yeah, his attitude of, like, entitlement, of,

Steve: 00:56:28

like, oh, yeah. I just did this thing to teach them a lesson.

Leif: 00:56:33

I mean, that's something they would do, too, though. So,

Leif: 00:56:36

yeah, I get both sides of this. Like,

Leif: 00:56:39

it's Blair. I mean, Serena, like, completely

Leif: 00:56:41

brushes off the fact that they screw with. With Vanessa.

Steve: 00:56:44

Yeah.

Andy: 00:56:45

Right. And she doesn't know, like, what you're saying, the backstory of that,

Andy: 00:56:48

you know, like. Or that maybe Vanessa had some part in it, but,

Andy: 00:56:51

yeah, there is this sort of sense of, like, we can fuck up

Andy: 00:56:54

your shit, but you can't because you're poor.

Steve: 00:56:56

Yeah.

Andy: 00:56:56

Like, that, that's kind of what it is. You're Dan. You don't get

Andy: 00:56:59

to do this. And I. But I also. Yeah, like, Dan,

Andy: 00:57:02

of course, has the holier than thou. Like, I got to do it. But I

Andy: 00:57:05

I I also think Serena shouldn't be judgy because, like, why is she

Andy: 00:57:08

involving him in the first place?

Leif: 00:57:09

Like, yeah.

Steve: 00:57:10

Yeah. I think that my issue with Dan was the way

Steve: 00:57:13

he went to Serena with just like, oh, yeah, I did this

Steve: 00:57:16

thing. Like, yeah, obviously that's what I was doing and

Steve: 00:57:19

not. Why would you be. Why would you say anything about it?

Steve: 00:57:22

Like. Like, just this casual, like, well,

Steve: 00:57:25

m. Yeah, of course that I was like, proud of himself.

Steve: 00:57:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A little proud of himself.

Steve: 00:57:30

Like, you're bragging to the wrong person about this.

Steve: 00:57:34

Like, go tell Vanessa, that you fucked them over,

Steve: 00:57:37

but don't tell Serena.

Andy: 00:57:39

Yep.

Leif: 00:57:41

At Max's, the party appears to be just a

Leif: 00:57:44

trio, and in an episode, an

Leif: 00:57:47

in episode needle drop prompts Agnes to get up and

Leif: 00:57:50

start dancing.

Steve: 00:57:52

Yeah. How soon is now? Yeah.

Leif: 00:57:55

Which, of course, is the charm theme song.

Steve: 00:57:57

Yeah, of course. This is a cover version of it. Yeah. and

Steve: 00:58:00

charmed was. The charmed cover is a cover, too. It's the love

Steve: 00:58:02

spit love cover. Yeah. I did forget who this one was.

Steve: 00:58:05

It was an acronym. I don't remember.

Steve: 00:58:09

I didn't look it up. Yeah, yeah. I only

Steve: 00:58:12

looked it up because I recognized the song

Steve: 00:58:15

and couldn't place it

Steve: 00:58:17

over and over. I think it was used in Buffy at one point,

Steve: 00:58:20

too. I feel like I remember a scene with Warner Brothers.

Leif: 00:58:23

Own the rights.

Steve: 00:58:24

Yeah, it may be. Yeah, that would make sense.

Andy: 00:58:27

That same week, they did it in every show.

Andy: 00:58:34

Is there any significance to that song, then, for the mood of this

Andy: 00:58:37

scene? Because the mood is dire. This

Andy: 00:58:40

is very uncomfortable.

Steve: 00:58:42

Yeah.

Leif: 00:58:44

I mean, it's kind of like a bad girl

Leif: 00:58:47

type song. I think it's also used in the

Leif: 00:58:50

wedding singer for, his girlfriend there,

Leif: 00:58:53

the one who weaves him. And. Yes.

Leif: 00:58:56

Like, I think, in what's the craft? I think it's also in

Leif: 00:58:58

that maybe.

Steve: 00:58:59

Yes.

Leif: 00:58:59

I think that it's kind of like. It has,

Leif: 00:59:02

throughout media, it's kind of taken on, like, a bad girl tone

Leif: 00:59:05

to it.

Steve: 00:59:06

Yeah. And in this scene in

Steve: 00:59:09

particular, first of all, I

Steve: 00:59:11

hate on shows whenever they have the. Oh,

Steve: 00:59:14

I love this song. Let's dance. Because,

Steve: 00:59:17

like, I always would complain about it at the bronze

Steve: 00:59:20

when I was watching Buffy stuff. Cause it's like you don't even know

Steve: 00:59:23

this fucking song. You've never heard this song.

Steve: 00:59:26

You don't even know there's a song playing because you're on a set

Steve: 00:59:28

somewhere. But just really irked me.

Steve: 00:59:31

Like, you don't even know what song this is. But this song, it's

Steve: 00:59:34

like, oh, someone can actually like that one.

Steve: 00:59:37

Someone might actually recognize it. So I had that same,

Steve: 00:59:40

like, oh, I hate that trope. But

Steve: 00:59:43

they might actually like it.

Leif: 00:59:45

Dan chases down a brooding Chuck to

Leif: 00:59:48

attempt to rectify sabotaging Blair

Leif: 00:59:50

earlier. This was on the stairs there.

Steve: 00:59:53

Yeah. Yeah. This was nice of Dan to do.

Leif: 00:59:56

I heard you. I chose to ignore you.

Leif: 01:00:02

Good job. My dad realizing he fucked up.

Steve: 01:00:04

Yeah.

Andy: 01:00:05

Yeah. And gave Chuck the opportunity to fix

Andy: 01:00:08

it.

Steve: 01:00:08

M. Yeah. And what's really funny is that, like,

Steve: 01:00:11

Chuck's role in the whole Vanessa thing, too,

Steve: 01:00:14

Chuck was, like, brought into it, right?

Leif: 01:00:17

Like,

Steve: 01:00:18

This still wasn't right. Yeah.

Andy: 01:00:20

Although why does Dan have so much power over Chuck

Andy: 01:00:23

and Blair's relationship in this episode? Just

Andy: 01:00:25

realizing, like, all he has, like, he says

Andy: 01:00:28

one thing and now, like, blair's hanging on every word.

Steve: 01:00:30

I.

Andy: 01:00:31

And then, like, he's also saying this thing to

Andy: 01:00:33

Chuck, which may or may not change his mind about anything, but it's just

Andy: 01:00:36

like, wow. People just believe everybody in this show, even

Andy: 01:00:39

though we learn over and over. That's a bad idea.

Leif: 01:00:42

Yeah. I mean, why? But I feel like Dan has shown

Leif: 01:00:45

in the past the ability to kind of manipulate people pretty

Leif: 01:00:48

well.

Steve: 01:00:49

Yeah.

Andy: 01:00:49

Oh, yeah.

Steve: 01:00:50

I also feel Dan is seen

Steve: 01:00:53

as the honest one. Yeah. and I

Steve: 01:00:56

think that it is the whole, like, oh,

Steve: 01:00:59

no. Scheming is rich people's

Steve: 01:01:01

game. Scheming is a rich person's game. So you

Steve: 01:01:04

can't be scheming. You're just a poor kid who needs to

Steve: 01:01:07

tell the truth or else you'll be poorer.

Andy: 01:01:09

Yes, exactly. Or, like, what can this guy

Andy: 01:01:12

do? I'm safe.

Steve: 01:01:14

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 01:01:16

Back at Max's, Jenny and Agnes are

Leif: 01:01:18

dancing. Agnes uses a little peer pressure to get

Leif: 01:01:21

Jenny to start stripping your clothes. Nate

Leif: 01:01:24

shows up before things can get too out of hand.

Andy: 01:01:27

Thank God.

Steve: 01:01:28

Yeah. What the fuck?

Steve: 01:01:31

And he's taking pictures. You're at least,

Steve: 01:01:34

So if this guy is a graduate of

Steve: 01:01:37

RISD, then if he's a student.

Leif: 01:01:40

He'S at least 1920.

Steve: 01:01:42

Yeah, he's as.

Leif: 01:01:43

She is 1615 or 16.

Steve: 01:01:46

She says 15 earlier in the episode.

Steve: 01:01:50

So. So this guy is, like,

Steve: 01:01:53

I'm assuming, like, 2022 taking pictures

Steve: 01:01:56

of his 15 year old. Like, yeah,

Steve: 01:01:58

that's fucking disgusting. That's like.

Leif: 01:02:01

Yeah, and, yeah, not. Not good that Agnes

Leif: 01:02:04

is, like, pushing her into it as well.

Steve: 01:02:07

Yeah, yeah. Come on. Take off your clothes in front of this

Steve: 01:02:10

dude with me.

Andy: 01:02:12

Yeah, there's definitely, like, sort of Colt Manson. Like,

Andy: 01:02:15

weird. Sort of like, I mean, because she

Andy: 01:02:18

kisses him in front of her and, like, is sort of like.

Steve: 01:02:20

Yeah.

Leif: 01:02:21

Like, yeah, she's definitely trying, like,

Leif: 01:02:24

some kind of threesome situation.

Steve: 01:02:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy: 01:02:27

And she. And as the woman or as the person that's supposed to

Andy: 01:02:30

be, like, her ally in the situation is totally.

Steve: 01:02:33

Yeah. right.

Leif: 01:02:34

And I think we do find out in the next episode

Leif: 01:02:36

that Agnes is not much older than Jenny. She's

Leif: 01:02:39

only, like, 16 or 17.

Andy: 01:02:41

She might even say that she's 17. In this episode, too. Or,

Andy: 01:02:44

like, maybe that's just in my head. I remembered that. I don't know.

Steve: 01:02:47

I have.

Andy: 01:02:48

Yeah. But, like, yeah, no, she isn't. I mean, you could

Andy: 01:02:50

look. Yeah.

Steve: 01:02:52

Yeah.

Andy: 01:02:52

All bad news. Thank God for Nate's one track mind

Andy: 01:02:55

here. Yes.

Steve: 01:02:57

I'm a college photographer, and I hang out with high school

Steve: 01:02:59

girls. Like, yeah,

Steve: 01:03:02

that.

Leif: 01:03:02

Not.

Steve: 01:03:03

Yeah.

Andy: 01:03:04

And Aaron Rose.

Steve: 01:03:05

And Aaron Rose. But not Aaron Rose's

Steve: 01:03:08

little sister because he kept her away.

Leif: 01:03:10

Although, I mean, Agnes is that high school girl

Leif: 01:03:13

that was always dating a

Leif: 01:03:16

college guy. There. There were.

Steve: 01:03:17

There were. I know.

Leif: 01:03:18

The most popular girl, you know? Like, the really popular, hot girl

Leif: 01:03:21

was always at a college boyfriend.

Steve: 01:03:23

I, know this.

Andy: 01:03:23

This show is just all those people, right?

Leif: 01:03:26

Like, that's exactly.

Andy: 01:03:27

Every girl is that.

Leif: 01:03:28

It's the highest 1%.

Steve: 01:03:30

Well, yeah, it's like if they're not fucking each other, they're fucking a

Steve: 01:03:33

30 year old.

Andy: 01:03:36

And most of them are 30, you know?

Steve: 01:03:38

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Steve: 01:03:41

yeah.

Leif: 01:03:44

What have we here? Jenny Humphrey, caught in

Leif: 01:03:47

her knickers by Nate, her knight in shining

Leif: 01:03:50

Armani.

Steve: 01:03:51

I love that line. That was so good line.

Leif: 01:03:54

Yeah. We move into the epilogue.

Leif: 01:03:57

Good guy Nate isn't going to force Jenny to leave, but

Leif: 01:04:00

he isn't going to leave without her either. That, was a very

Leif: 01:04:03

good move. He's not. Yeah, he's not gonna be. The guy just, like, picks her up and,

Leif: 01:04:06

like, drags her out of there. Cause that's just not a good look either.

Steve: 01:04:09

I'll wait.

Leif: 01:04:09

Yeah, I'll just sit down and wait.

Steve: 01:04:11

Yep.

Leif: 01:04:11

Yeah.

Andy: 01:04:12

That was his best tactic, like, when he was trying too hard to be, like, hey,

Andy: 01:04:15

warning him, like. Like, kind of like a wet blanket that she would

Andy: 01:04:17

ignore. Cause.

Steve: 01:04:18

Yeah.

Andy: 01:04:19

Yeah, classic. Like, yeah, if you're the older brother, and even if

Andy: 01:04:21

you're right, I can't admit that you're right. You know? Like, yeah,

Andy: 01:04:24

so.

Steve: 01:04:25

And this is where I. And, this is one of those places

Steve: 01:04:28

where Nate shines, you know, where Nate is going to be the

Steve: 01:04:31

good guy and make the decision, the good decision

Steve: 01:04:34

to help the person that needs help. Like,

Steve: 01:04:36

I really. Yeah, I think he really did a good

Steve: 01:04:39

job.

Leif: 01:04:40

Dan chases down Serena to apologize for

Leif: 01:04:42

sabotaging Blair. They begin to talk about

Leif: 01:04:45

Aaron. Dan gives his blessing. Mid

Leif: 01:04:48

conversation, Serena figures out the riddle

Leif: 01:04:51

and that she went to summer camp with Aaron and

Leif: 01:04:53

Europe because, of course, they went to the

Leif: 01:04:56

summer camp in Switzerland.

Andy: 01:04:58

Yeah.

Steve: 01:04:59

Right. And I'm going to go back to how old

Steve: 01:05:02

is this guy? And why are they in summer camp

Steve: 01:05:04

together getting

Steve: 01:05:07

married? If they're four

Steve: 01:05:10

years apart.

Leif: 01:05:11

That's just how they do it in Europe.

Andy: 01:05:16

I mean, it's like pulling, like, making it

Andy: 01:05:19

work. But I mean, I think summer camps can have, like, wide ranges, but it's

Andy: 01:05:22

still weird.

Steve: 01:05:23

Yeah.

Andy: 01:05:24

He's like. I mean, I hope he wasn't, like, a counselor or, you know,

Andy: 01:05:27

but, like, it could have been.

Leif: 01:05:30

Serena. She probably was.

Steve: 01:05:32

Yeah.

Andy: 01:05:33

Yeah. But it might have been like a, you know, a

Andy: 01:05:36

ten and six or something. I don't know. Like, is she 17

Andy: 01:05:39

here? Is that how old Serena is?

Leif: 01:05:41

She's here? Or. Actually, I think she. I think she might

Leif: 01:05:44

be, She might actually be 18 because she has a early

Leif: 01:05:46

birthday.

Steve: 01:05:47

Gotcha.

Leif: 01:05:47

they are. Yeah, they are seniors this year.

Andy: 01:05:50

But, I mean, Serena. Yeah. Probably was

Andy: 01:05:52

also. I mean, she is the classic girl again,

Andy: 01:05:55

that is talking to the oldest people.

Steve: 01:05:57

Yeah.

Andy: 01:05:58

For. And that's not. There's something scary about that

Andy: 01:06:01

for sure. But that's.

Steve: 01:06:02

Yeah. This.

Andy: 01:06:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy: 01:06:06

But, hey, fake married.

Steve: 01:06:08

Yeah.

Leif: 01:06:11

Serena sees what I think is supposed to be Aaron

Leif: 01:06:14

riding off with another woman. I say supposed to because

Leif: 01:06:17

it's clearly a stunt actor driving off on the

Leif: 01:06:19

moped. Why did they show his face?

Leif: 01:06:22

Why did they do a back shot?

Andy: 01:06:24

Yeah, that was hilarious. I.

Andy: 01:06:26

Yeah.

Steve: 01:06:30

That'S whole scene.

Andy: 01:06:31

Because it was just. It shows who Aaron really is. I

Andy: 01:06:34

think, too. Like, he's sent this, but he's just this asshole on

Andy: 01:06:37

a motorcycle with a babe, which.

Steve: 01:06:39

Yeah, yeah, the suggested people that are.

Andy: 01:06:41

On motorcycles are assholes. But just, like, I think that's the teeth.

Andy: 01:06:44

That's the trope. Kind of more like there's

Andy: 01:06:47

just. Yeah, he just has all these bad bugs.

Steve: 01:06:50

now I'm going to ask what I always ask when

Steve: 01:06:53

someone like Aaron comes in is. Are we seeing

Steve: 01:06:56

more of Aaron?

Leif: 01:06:57

Yes.

Steve: 01:06:58

Okay. I was. I figured.

Steve: 01:07:00

Unfortunately, that's not

Steve: 01:07:03

that. Yeah. I mean, I.

Steve: 01:07:06

Yeah. and I feel like every time they bring someone in

Steve: 01:07:09

for a romantic plot line, it's just

Steve: 01:07:11

so bad.

Leif: 01:07:13

Unfortunately, I think this is kind of Aaron's high point.

Steve: 01:07:16

Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

Andy: 01:07:18

No, I think you're right.

Steve: 01:07:19

Yeah.

Andy: 01:07:19

Actually, I was gonna say, like, his stock is up. He will get there. But.

Steve: 01:07:22

Yeah, he's

Steve: 01:07:25

one of my only ones, actually.

Andy: 01:07:27

But I think Aaron, like, he does because

Andy: 01:07:30

of him. In a weird way, something good comes to the

Andy: 01:07:33

show. I believe, that's my tease. So

Andy: 01:07:35

Aaron. There is a. There is a. There is, like, a nice thing

Andy: 01:07:38

about. Okay, but it's not Aaron.

Leif: 01:07:40

I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Andy: 01:07:42

Ah.

Leif: 01:07:44

Chuck, slinks into Blair's room to explain how they

Leif: 01:07:47

can't work as a couple. They decide to wait

Leif: 01:07:49

before. Before sharing a chaste

Leif: 01:07:52

kiss.

Steve: 01:07:54

Yeah. The whole thing was just a tease. Like, this whole

Steve: 01:07:57

back and forth for nothing.

Steve: 01:08:00

Yeah.

Andy: 01:08:01

And I don't buy it. Like, I mean, I guess

Andy: 01:08:04

I buy it. Right? Like, they can't say the words because if they

Andy: 01:08:06

do, he thinks it's the end. Right? Like that. That means they

Andy: 01:08:09

become a normal couple. Yeah, but it's really like

Andy: 01:08:12

they're afraid of being real. They're afraid of, But, like,

Andy: 01:08:15

that's the thing. Blair says it. We can do the things

Andy: 01:08:18

that we like together. That is real. So I like it. Just

Andy: 01:08:21

this make believe problem that they have.

Andy: 01:08:24

But I also understand because they're, you know, 17,

Andy: 01:08:27

and, like, fully erect and, you know, all sorts, like,

Andy: 01:08:30

we don't know what's going on.

Steve: 01:08:31

Yeah, exactly.

Leif: 01:08:32

So, yeah, the writers have admitted that

Leif: 01:08:35

Chuck was not initially meant to

Leif: 01:08:38

be a main character.

Andy: 01:08:40

Right.

Leif: 01:08:40

He was going to be just like, a side antagonist, and after

Leif: 01:08:43

episode 13, he was going to just kind of fade into the background.

Leif: 01:08:46

But that. That was when the writers strike hit in 2008,

Leif: 01:08:50

and Josh Schwartz was reading the message boards,

Leif: 01:08:52

and Chuck was by far the most popular

Leif: 01:08:55

character. And so they. But they

Leif: 01:08:58

didn't really know what to do with them other than just keep

Leif: 01:09:00

bouncing all flare.

Andy: 01:09:03

But, like, I mean, I don't know. I mean, you're gonna get into the fandom, but,

Andy: 01:09:06

like, that worked for most people.

Steve: 01:09:08

Yeah.

Leif: 01:09:09

yeah, most of my.

Andy: 01:09:11

Yeah, yeah, it gets tiresome and. But you

Andy: 01:09:13

also. Yeah, it's the tv. It's. When you can see that it's a tv show,

Andy: 01:09:17

when it's like, well, of course they can't actually try because

Andy: 01:09:19

it.

Leif: 01:09:20

Yeah, it did work for most people, but the

Leif: 01:09:23

most people that stayed on because the audience

Leif: 01:09:26

really started dropping after season two. Two

Leif: 01:09:29

episode. Episode three of season two, the Dark Knight was the

Leif: 01:09:31

highest rated episode, and then it just steadily dropped from

Leif: 01:09:34

there.

Andy: 01:09:35

Steve, like, I would be interested if there's

Andy: 01:09:38

ever at a point where, like, if you were watching this live

Andy: 01:09:41

or, like, without the podcast, if you'd ever be like, all right,

Andy: 01:09:44

I think I'm unplugging. You know, like, I,

Steve: 01:09:47

Honestly,

Steve: 01:09:50

I may have at the end of

Steve: 01:09:53

season one, if I

Steve: 01:09:56

didn't have the information about the writers strike,

Steve: 01:09:59

that when they came back from the writers strike, I, And

Steve: 01:10:02

then when they introduced Georgina Sparks, I thought

Steve: 01:10:05

the show tanked for the end of

Steve: 01:10:07

that. Those last couple episodes, I

Steve: 01:10:10

hated them. Except for woman on the verge

Steve: 01:10:13

or, there were. There were moments I liked and finally was okay. Yeah, the

Steve: 01:10:16

finale was okay. The one. The one where

Steve: 01:10:19

Eric's outed is okay, but, like, none of them

Steve: 01:10:22

were, like, good anymore. Like, those

Steve: 01:10:24

episodes didn't have that charm that I

Steve: 01:10:27

felt the first 13 episodes had.

Leif: 01:10:30

Jenny is freaking out on Nate and then finally asks

Leif: 01:10:33

him why he cares so much. Nate can't

Leif: 01:10:36

answer, so Jenny gives him a quick kiss.

Leif: 01:10:39

Nate is dumbfounded for a moment before going

Leif: 01:10:42

Jenny in for the real thing.

Steve: 01:10:44

And I think that's the moment. I think

Steve: 01:10:47

Jenny's saying to him, why

Steve: 01:10:50

did you do this? Is the moment

Steve: 01:10:52

Nate realizes he likes her. I think it

Steve: 01:10:55

was just before the kiss that he

Steve: 01:10:58

didn't. That he just thought he was doing the right thing.

Steve: 01:11:01

And then when she asked why and he didn't have an

Steve: 01:11:04

answer, I think that's when he was like, oh, shit,

Steve: 01:11:07

I like her. And then she kissed him.

Steve: 01:11:10

And then they full on make out.

Leif: 01:11:13

Yeah. Right in the middle of the street as usual.

Steve: 01:11:16

Right in the middle of the street as usual.

Andy: 01:11:18

I feel like there was some butt grab happening.

Steve: 01:11:20

There was some butt grab happening. She is

Steve: 01:11:23

15 years old, Chase.

Steve: 01:11:25

Well, I mean, I know.

Andy: 01:11:28

Yeah, they're both in high school. I. Yeah, but I

Andy: 01:11:31

would. I think I. You're right. I don't know if I had that

Andy: 01:11:33

reading this time or even the last time that, like, he wasn't

Andy: 01:11:36

aware of it until that moment. I think Nate.

Leif: 01:11:38

I think they were there, but he just wasn't aware of it.

Andy: 01:11:41

Yeah, exactly. he's also the kind of guy who's just,

Andy: 01:11:44

like, always so naturally charming and flirty and, like,

Andy: 01:11:47

always liked that. Like, he doesn't, I don't think, know what

Andy: 01:11:50

he's doing. So, like, yeah, I'm watching him

Andy: 01:11:53

in the towel in that first scene. To me, I

Andy: 01:11:55

know he likes the attention, likes the

Andy: 01:11:58

look, and likes what is happening, but.

Andy: 01:12:01

Yes. And I think it's that normal thing. It's just like, ooh, this is kind

Andy: 01:12:04

of fun and giggly, but it's. Yeah. And then.

Andy: 01:12:07

And I like that for. For Nate, I guess. I mean, I

Andy: 01:12:10

like it. It's so much better than the alternative. Of what? You

Andy: 01:12:13

know, dark. Jenny's other, you

Andy: 01:12:16

know.

Steve: 01:12:16

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 01:12:19

The problem with fairy tales is they set up for a

Leif: 01:12:22

disappointment. In real life, the prince goes off with

Leif: 01:12:25

the wrong princess, where the spell wears off, and

Leif: 01:12:28

two lovers realize they are better off as well,

Leif: 01:12:30

whatever they are. But I'll confess to

Leif: 01:12:33

every once in a while, a girl craves her fairy tale

Leif: 01:12:36

ending. So sleep tight, kitties. It

Leif: 01:12:39

seems like little J. Got her happily ever after.

Leif: 01:12:42

Xoxo, gossip girl.

Leif: 01:12:46

And that is the episode. So, obviously,

Leif: 01:12:49

Andy, you know what's coming, but, Steve, what are your

Leif: 01:12:51

predictions?

Steve: 01:12:52

Well, I I predict that

Steve: 01:12:55

Agnes is going to continue to be trouble for

Steve: 01:12:57

Jenny. I have a prediction that

Steve: 01:13:00

Nate or that Dan is not going

Steve: 01:13:03

to take it too well. If

Steve: 01:13:06

he finds out about Nate and Jenny, I think he might

Steve: 01:13:09

come around because he's. Because he knows that Nate's a

Steve: 01:13:12

good guy. But I also know that he's very protective of

Steve: 01:13:15

his little sister. But all, But, like, dan, just keep in

Steve: 01:13:18

mind, she could do a lot worse than Nate Archibald

Steve: 01:13:20

and this chuck and Blair thing. I know

Steve: 01:13:23

that this is what the show is now, but, like,

Steve: 01:13:26

shoulder, get off the pot.

Leif: 01:13:30

So do you think, are they going to get right back into it next week or

Leif: 01:13:33

they got to take a break?

Steve: 01:13:35

It might cool off a little bit, but I don't know what

Steve: 01:13:37

else they, they have going on at this point. You

Steve: 01:13:40

know, like, unless we're maybe like Nate and

Steve: 01:13:43

Chuck. Reconciliation coming

Steve: 01:13:46

up. Yeah.

Leif: 01:13:47

This week in fandom, we

Leif: 01:13:50

jumped into the wayback machine to look at the television without

Leif: 01:13:53

pity forums from back in 2008.

Steve: 01:13:56

Hello there, Peabody here.

Andy: 01:13:58

And this is the wayback machine for traveling through time.

Steve: 01:14:01

And this is my boy Sherman.

Andy: 01:14:04

Speak.

Steve: 01:14:04

Sherman. Hello. Good boy.

Leif: 01:14:07

First, though, everyone. People are getting. Yeah, people

Leif: 01:14:10

are getting bored of Chuck and Blair. Not saying I love you.

Steve: 01:14:12

It's already. Yeah, it's. It's three

Steve: 01:14:15

episodes of it now. Yeah.

Leif: 01:14:16

Which we've always said people watch, in network

Leif: 01:14:19

tv era, one in three episodes. So hopefully

Leif: 01:14:22

they move on now.

Steve: 01:14:23

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 01:14:25

Dan should die a fiery death for messing with

Leif: 01:14:28

chair.

Andy: 01:14:31

Like, that's really. I mean, I find that funny because it's

Andy: 01:14:34

also, like, it kind of those two things are different. Right? Like,

Andy: 01:14:37

we're tired of them going back and forth, but then we're

Andy: 01:14:40

so pissed when Dan just gets

Andy: 01:14:43

involved a little bit.

Leif: 01:14:44

I mean, Dan stopped them from getting together like they

Leif: 01:14:46

would. They would. Yeah.

Steve: 01:14:48

I mean, yeah, maybe.

Andy: 01:14:49

I don't buy that. Yeah, I think that's. That's using Dan as a

Andy: 01:14:52

scapegoat, which is about to do for

Andy: 01:14:55

sure, you know, Dan's greatest scapegoat.

Leif: 01:14:57

But I think much, much like, Dawson and Joey,

Leif: 01:15:00

the writers were showing us that Chuck and Blair don't work without actually

Leif: 01:15:03

intending to.

Andy: 01:15:06

Yeah. Ah, I think that's. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I also

Andy: 01:15:09

just think there's, like, this idea that Dan can't get involved because

Andy: 01:15:12

we're putting chair on the pedestal, it's kind of like how the characters

Andy: 01:15:15

treat them, too, but the fans themselves. Oh, Dan can't get involved in

Andy: 01:15:18

chair, but chair can do whatever they want to.

Andy: 01:15:21

Yeah.

Leif: 01:15:21

Oh, yeah.

Steve: 01:15:22

Yeah.

Leif: 01:15:23

Serena certainly has a type, as we

Leif: 01:15:25

said. So the audience picked up on

Leif: 01:15:28

that as well. Dan and Vanessa belong

Leif: 01:15:31

together because they're both morally or superior

Leif: 01:15:33

hypocrites.

Steve: 01:15:35

Yep. Yep. Yeah. That. Yeah.

Andy: 01:15:37

Track.

Steve: 01:15:38

And I know that. That, like, it's,

Steve: 01:15:41

funny. When they first said, like, oh, dan's in the other

Steve: 01:15:44

room with Vanessa. When Serena showed up in the beginning of the episode, I was

Steve: 01:15:47

like, oh, fuck. Gross. Are they doing? I'm just. Because

Steve: 01:15:50

that's the one I know has to happen, and I'm just

Steve: 01:15:52

so annoyed by it, and it hasn't even happened

Steve: 01:15:55

yet.

Andy: 01:15:57

Yeah. That's also fair, I think.

Leif: 01:16:01

So the fans, felt that Nate and Jenny were a

Leif: 01:16:04

bit sudden, especially from Nate's side, but

Leif: 01:16:07

really? Yeah. But I think that's because

Leif: 01:16:10

I feel like most of them were girls or women

Leif: 01:16:14

speaking. And as a former 15 year old boy, I

Leif: 01:16:16

know, like, if I spend more than, you know,

Leif: 01:16:19

20 minutes with an attractive girl that is being nice to me,

Leif: 01:16:22

I'm probably gonna fall in love with her.

Steve: 01:16:23

Yeah. Yep. Especially

Steve: 01:16:27

for me back then. Yeah.

Leif: 01:16:29

yeah. 1516.

Steve: 01:16:30

Yeah. There's also probably a lot of

Steve: 01:16:33

people that watched that were watching season

Steve: 01:16:36

two that came on late and hadn't

Steve: 01:16:39

watched season one to see the

Steve: 01:16:42

season one backup, background for

Steve: 01:16:44

Jenny.

Andy: 01:16:45

Right. And that's what I was going to say. I feel like that stuff was

Andy: 01:16:48

laid in there in season one or, like, they had. They have

Andy: 01:16:51

had a sort of a nice relationship, whether

Andy: 01:16:54

they hadn't defined it until this moment, but, like, they had

Andy: 01:16:57

done enough work where it did not feel rushed yet.

Steve: 01:17:00

Yeah. they had maybe three. Two or

Steve: 01:17:02

three scenes, I think three scenes together.

Steve: 01:17:06

That really established

Steve: 01:17:09

this episode. All in season

Steve: 01:17:12

one, though, positive reactions.

Leif: 01:17:14

To the mixing of pairings up, whether

Leif: 01:17:17

they be friendly or antagonistic or romantic

Leif: 01:17:19

or platonic, they're kind of talking about how the OC

Leif: 01:17:23

in season two, to mix it up, they brought in new characters,

Leif: 01:17:26

but on Gossip Girl, they. They're kind of just mixing up

Leif: 01:17:29

the main characters with different pairings, which they liked.

Steve: 01:17:32

Yeah.

Andy: 01:17:33

And, I mean, Dan and, Blair is, like, the best example, I think, in this

Andy: 01:17:35

episode, I really like them.

Steve: 01:17:37

I think that's kind of a funny note, though, on an episode where they bring

Steve: 01:17:40

in two new characters,

Steve: 01:17:44

three if you count Max, but I'm hoping he's at least

Steve: 01:17:47

gone.

Leif: 01:17:49

Positive reactions to, yeah,

Leif: 01:17:52

there was a lot of excitement for Willow Hollande because she was obviously Caitlin

Leif: 01:17:55

Cooper on the OC.

Andy: 01:17:56

She's, yeah, going up in the world. This is a big move for her.

Leif: 01:17:59

So that is it for this week in fandom. Let's

Leif: 01:18:02

move into some episode grades.

Leif: 01:18:07

Steve went first last time, so it's my turn to go

Leif: 01:18:10

first. I think I like this episode a little

Leif: 01:18:13

better than you guys. I thought the directing was good. There was good

Leif: 01:18:15

music. there's a lot of interesting shots, especially, like, the shot on

Leif: 01:18:18

the roof. I like the end with Chuck and Blaire, even

Leif: 01:18:21

though the outcome was kind of boring and, like, even

Leif: 01:18:24

though the scenes, nothing really happened, I

Leif: 01:18:27

think were good setups for stuff that happened

Leif: 01:18:29

later. So I'm actually going to give this episode an a minus.

Leif: 01:18:32

Woo. How about you, Andy?

Andy: 01:18:34

I think I'll go with a B minus. You

Andy: 01:18:37

know, like, I think I, Like, I. It's still.

Andy: 01:18:40

I think it's still entertaining. We talked about all the quips and the

Andy: 01:18:43

zingers, and there's enough fashion to hate

Andy: 01:18:46

on or love, you know, like, I think it has a lot of different things

Andy: 01:18:49

and we getting. I do like seeing more of Jenny and

Andy: 01:18:52

more of Dan and Blair, so. But, yeah, I

Andy: 01:18:55

have, you know, the same sort of notes about, like, it definitely is kind of

Andy: 01:18:58

a filler transition episode. And I know when I watched, was watching it,

Andy: 01:19:01

I did have the thought of why did I choose this one? You know, like,

Andy: 01:19:04

I did have that thought. so, like. But I think it's

Andy: 01:19:07

because dark Jenny, to me, is such a

Andy: 01:19:09

fascinating.

Steve: 01:19:10

Yeah, yeah.

Andy: 01:19:11

Part of the show and just the lore and

Andy: 01:19:14

Taylor Momsen, all of that stuff opens

Andy: 01:19:17

up. And I think this is, like, where we're really going there. And it's kind

Andy: 01:19:20

of. It's kind of hard to watch, too. It's not always.

Leif: 01:19:23

It's tough, but yeah.

Steve: 01:19:24

Yeah.

Leif: 01:19:24

Jenny's character really drives the plot more than anyone else in

Leif: 01:19:27

the show.

Steve: 01:19:28

I think she, and she has such

Steve: 01:19:30

a professional wrestler arc

Steve: 01:19:33

of, like, the good kid and then the heel

Steve: 01:19:36

turn and, like, then, you know,

Steve: 01:19:40

has, like, a good heel run and

Steve: 01:19:42

then gets shown up and then turns around and

Steve: 01:19:45

is the good kid. And now I feel like another heel turn coming

Steve: 01:19:48

and, like, you know, that's.

Andy: 01:19:51

That's a really good way of putting it.

Steve: 01:19:52

I love that.

Andy: 01:19:54

And leaf, I like, I really appreciate that you,

Andy: 01:19:57

like, jenny is your favorite character because I always got

Andy: 01:20:00

the sense that she was sort of the most, like, not, I mean, after

Andy: 01:20:03

Vanessa, like, people like to hate on,

Andy: 01:20:06

Jenny or.

Steve: 01:20:06

Yeah.

Leif: 01:20:06

Like, which is. I've always found that weird.

Andy: 01:20:09

I think it's on.

Steve: 01:20:10

I also love Jenny. Yeah.

Leif: 01:20:13

I think people hate her because she

Leif: 01:20:16

does act like an actual teenager.

Andy: 01:20:19

A, hundred percent she. Like, she. To me,

Andy: 01:20:22

she's the most accurate depiction of what

Andy: 01:20:25

if you put a 15 year old in this world? What would

Andy: 01:20:28

happen?

Steve: 01:20:29

m. Yeah, I have a. I have a 17

Steve: 01:20:32

year old daughter, and there are so many

Steve: 01:20:35

times on this podcast that I've said that

Steve: 01:20:37

I've seen Jenny,

Steve: 01:20:40

make a look or react to a situation, and it

Steve: 01:20:43

just instantly reminded me of Emily. Like,

Steve: 01:20:46

you just one of the ones that really

Steve: 01:20:49

stands out the most is showing up to Blair's

Steve: 01:20:51

birthday party already with, like, her

Steve: 01:20:54

stuffy and her blanket and all these girls are in night

Steve: 01:20:57

gowns and sipping martinis, and

Steve: 01:21:00

that look of I'm out of my league. Like, it

Steve: 01:21:03

just felt so natural. And

Steve: 01:21:06

she does that all the time in this show. Like, she just really

Steve: 01:21:09

sells the teenager.

Leif: 01:21:12

What, are you giving the grade?

Steve: 01:21:13

my grade for this is also a b minus. I

Steve: 01:21:16

gave it the same thing, mostly because I felt like it

Steve: 01:21:18

didn't go anywhere. I did like the

Steve: 01:21:21

quips. I did like some of the dialogue. I did like a lot of

Steve: 01:21:24

the direction. Direction and acting, but I felt

Steve: 01:21:27

that the story just took me

Steve: 01:21:30

almost nowhere except for the jenny stuff,

Steve: 01:21:32

and. And I don't feel like

Steve: 01:21:35

Gossip girl does that a lot. I don't feel like

Steve: 01:21:38

even when they have bad episodes, I feel like they

Steve: 01:21:41

move the plot forward, and I felt this one was

Steve: 01:21:44

just a. Just a.

Steve: 01:21:47

Just stuck.

Leif: 01:21:48

Yeah. It's setting up the next big arcs.

Leif: 01:21:51

Which one is Jenny? That's obviously the biggest one. And then

Leif: 01:21:54

also you get the aaron and Serena set up.

Steve: 01:21:57

Yeah.

Leif: 01:21:59

So moving on to stock watch,

Leif: 01:22:03

I had going up Jenny because

Leif: 01:22:05

she, you know, she lost her job. It

Leif: 01:22:08

looked. She's got ton of buzz. Plus she got. She hooked up

Leif: 01:22:11

with Nate, so good for her. I had Dan going

Leif: 01:22:14

up because he was manipulating everyone and

Leif: 01:22:17

he was scheming with the best of them.

Leif: 01:22:19

He got exactly what he wanted in this episode, so I gave

Leif: 01:22:22

him stock up then also, I had

Leif: 01:22:25

Serena going up because she seems to have a new

Leif: 01:22:28

relationship, even though it was a little weird at the end,

Leif: 01:22:30

but she's definitely interested in him, so.

Leif: 01:22:33

And, of course, Nate because he was the king of the

Leif: 01:22:36

episode. Andy, what do you. Who do you have going up?

Andy: 01:22:39

I do have Nate going up as well, and I.

Andy: 01:22:42

I had Dan going up with Blair for most of

Andy: 01:22:45

it, but then I don't. I actually disagree with you. I think, like, he

Andy: 01:22:48

didn't actually get what he wanted because, like, Serena's going off

Andy: 01:22:51

with Aaron and he.

Steve: 01:22:53

Yeah.

Andy: 01:22:53

I don't know. Like, I. He sort of ended

Andy: 01:22:56

in a down, but I, think he maybe ends in, like, the

Andy: 01:22:59

exact same fair.

Leif: 01:23:00

That's fair.

Andy: 01:23:00

And then for Jenni, to me, is a TBD.

Andy: 01:23:03

You know, I'm like, I love up. Like,

Andy: 01:23:07

she's in a great. This is a very crucial position for

Andy: 01:23:10

Jenny to be in. Right? Like, she is, like, getting buzz.

Andy: 01:23:13

She has. She's a talk of the town fashion. Like,

Andy: 01:23:16

she could be the next big thing. but

Andy: 01:23:19

be careful, Jenny. Be careful. But also

Andy: 01:23:21

very nice to get a nice smooch from Nate. Like, I know she's wanted

Andy: 01:23:24

that, and that's really cool for Jenny. And then I

Andy: 01:23:27

have to admit that Aaron Rose, I know he's not a main character, but he

Andy: 01:23:30

is the one who's looking up. You know, anyone who's, like,

Andy: 01:23:33

has the eye of Serena, who has a hit gallery

Andy: 01:23:36

opening. Like, yeah, I hate him.

Andy: 01:23:39

Fuck, I guess Aaron Rose.

Steve: 01:23:40

Yeah.

Leif: 01:23:40

It doesn't have to be a main character. They just have to be at least mentioned in the episode.

Steve: 01:23:43

Yeah. Yeah.

Andy: 01:23:44

And then Serena too, because, yeah, she gets a new,

Andy: 01:23:47

new passion.

Steve: 01:23:48

Yeah.

Leif: 01:23:49

Steve.

Steve: 01:23:49

So going up, I only had. I had

Steve: 01:23:52

Nate. We all, you know, good guy Nate. We all had

Steve: 01:23:55

Nate. Aaron also, you know,

Steve: 01:23:58

Aaron. Aaron, his stock literally goes

Steve: 01:24:01

up. Like, he's got this big buzz on his

Steve: 01:24:04

art gallery display. He's got

Steve: 01:24:07

two women interested in him, it

Steve: 01:24:10

seems, unless the other ones, like his sister or

Steve: 01:24:12

assistant or some shit like that, which is exactly what this show would

Steve: 01:24:15

do.

Andy: 01:24:16

Right?

Steve: 01:24:17

And I had Rupas going up because his gallery put

Steve: 01:24:20

on a really good event, and I think that

Steve: 01:24:23

he really deserves props for that. But that is all I have

Steve: 01:24:26

going up. I had a lot of no stock

Steve: 01:24:29

on this episode.

Leif: 01:24:31

So moving on to going down, I had

Leif: 01:24:34

Chuck and Blair because they had. Still can't pull the

Leif: 01:24:37

trigger, and Max because he's just a

Leif: 01:24:39

fucking creep.

Andy: 01:24:41

Deserve any? Yeah, I'm not trading. I'm not publicly

Andy: 01:24:43

trading.

Steve: 01:24:44

Publicly trading in Max.

Leif: 01:24:47

Well, I like to. I like to drive people down as low.

Leif: 01:24:50

I like to short stock.

Steve: 01:24:52

Yeah. Which that's

Steve: 01:24:55

where Chuck has been for most of our, most

Steve: 01:24:58

of the run of this show.

Leif: 01:25:00

What about you, Eddie? Who do you got going down?

Andy: 01:25:02

I have. Yeah. Chuck and Blair. And then I also have

Andy: 01:25:05

Eleanor going down because, I mean, she does

Andy: 01:25:08

not look good in this episode in any way, shape or form, like,

Andy: 01:25:11

as a mentor figure as a boss, as a

Andy: 01:25:14

artist, as a fashion designer. Like, no one is interested in her

Andy: 01:25:17

stuff anymore, and just a 15 year old who,

Andy: 01:25:20

like, has made three dresses is more exciting. So,

Andy: 01:25:22

like, yeah, that, to me, is, like, a really dark

Andy: 01:25:25

place to be.

Leif: 01:25:26

I'm actually going to add Eleanor to mine as well.

Steve: 01:25:28

Yeah.

Andy: 01:25:29

Yeah. And I think that's all I had.

Leif: 01:25:31

Steve.

Andy: 01:25:32

Yeah. Dan is, like, kind of.

Steve: 01:25:35

Yeah, yeah.

Leif: 01:25:36

yeah. So just leave him as neutral, I guess, unless. Unless you want him to be

Leif: 01:25:39

down.

Andy: 01:25:39

No, we can give him neutral.

Steve: 01:25:41

Yeah, neutral, too, because I.

Steve: 01:25:44

And, in fact, I went neutral for Chuck and Blair, too, because

Steve: 01:25:47

they didn't go anywhere. Like, that was my whole thing with

Steve: 01:25:50

this episode is that it didn't do any. And I felt that way with

Steve: 01:25:53

Dan, too. and I felt that way with Serena.

Steve: 01:25:56

However, going down I had, I did have Jenny

Steve: 01:25:59

going down because as of

Steve: 01:26:02

right now, and, of course, this is also, like,

Steve: 01:26:04

first watch with it. As of

Steve: 01:26:07

right now, she has no job, and she

Steve: 01:26:10

is taking advice from people that may

Steve: 01:26:13

not be able to back up what they are

Steve: 01:26:16

selling. So I feel like Jenny

Steve: 01:26:19

took a huge risk. She took a hit in her stock because

Steve: 01:26:22

of it. I also have Eleanor going down.

Steve: 01:26:25

I was right on with both of you. With. With

Steve: 01:26:27

Eleanor going down, I had Vanessa going down

Steve: 01:26:30

because Vanessa sucks.

Steve: 01:26:33

I typically take a shot at Vanessa when I can,

Steve: 01:26:36

but also because I was really annoyed with Vanessa because,

Steve: 01:26:39

like, being so offended that

Steve: 01:26:42

the people that she tried to fuck over fucked her over

Steve: 01:26:45

just really irked me with her.

Steve: 01:26:48

And finally, I'm Max. I didn't have Max, but I

Steve: 01:26:51

want to add Max to mine because let's.

Leif: 01:26:53

Try some down into the negatives.

Steve: 01:26:55

Yeah, yeah,

Steve: 01:26:57

yeah. At one point, I said that this episode needed to

Steve: 01:27:00

come with a seizure warning with the way that the

Steve: 01:27:03

flash was just would not stop

Steve: 01:27:06

in those scenes.

Leif: 01:27:09

Okay. I think that is it for stock watch in

Leif: 01:27:12

best outfit.

Steve: 01:27:14

But here's the best outfits from the last

Steve: 01:27:17

episode we see.

Leif: 01:27:21

For me, it was Jetty's dress,

Leif: 01:27:23

even with, like, the fringe. I love the punk rock look.

Leif: 01:27:26

I just. I think it worked.

Andy: 01:27:28

I mean, I I think it's funny that. I love that we had a

Andy: 01:27:31

completely different thing because.

Steve: 01:27:32

Yeah.

Andy: 01:27:32

I was just like, oh, no, thank you. Like,

Andy: 01:27:35

no, sorry. You can go forward. I feel like I'm sort of giving

Andy: 01:27:38

my outfit.

Leif: 01:27:40

Yeah, it's your turn. It's your turn to go ahead.

Andy: 01:27:41

I would say. I, would say there was more bad than good in this

Andy: 01:27:44

episode, and. But, like, I think, honestly, it was

Andy: 01:27:47

Blair was the one who was giving the most looks that I was like, okay,

Andy: 01:27:50

yes. And it was probably. I mean, it's an easy one, but, like, the

Andy: 01:27:53

lingerie seduction scene, that outfit

Andy: 01:27:56

wins.

Leif: 01:27:56

Yeah. Can't go go with a Philip

Leif: 01:27:59

herless.

Andy: 01:28:00

But my real answer is Nate.

Andy: 01:28:02

Bathroom towel.

Steve: 01:28:04

Okay, that's it. That

Steve: 01:28:07

is. Yeah. I,

Leif: 01:28:10

There.

Steve: 01:28:10

Yeah, I agree that this was not the best

Steve: 01:28:13

fashion episode. There were a few outfits that I. Blair,

Steve: 01:28:16

Blair had a lot of great outfits throughout the

Steve: 01:28:18

episode. I agree with that. But I also

Steve: 01:28:21

have Jenny's dress as

Steve: 01:28:25

written down. Ah. It was. When

Steve: 01:28:27

that first came on, Robin and I were both like,

Steve: 01:28:30

oh, that dress, like, immediately.

Steve: 01:28:33

and so. But that is also. That is also

Steve: 01:28:36

so much more of a style that I would

Steve: 01:28:39

be interested in seeing, though, like, that. That

Steve: 01:28:42

fringy punk. Kind of, like I said, that

Steve: 01:28:45

punkification of Jenny Humphrey.

Andy: 01:28:47

What's funny? Because, yeah, like, I was like, oh, I hate this dress.

Andy: 01:28:50

And then it was like, immediately after, I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot what the plot of this

Andy: 01:28:53

episode. I was like, oh, shit. But then, like, my partner, Lily, like, she

Andy: 01:28:56

came in, and I was like, come on, you have to see this. And she was

Andy: 01:28:59

on my side, too.

Andy: 01:29:02

Oh, we are. We like punk, too. So we're like,

Andy: 01:29:04

yeah, just funny that, you know, that's fashion,

Andy: 01:29:07

though.

Steve: 01:29:07

It's gender, right? Yeah. Yeah, it really is.

Leif: 01:29:11

So, that is it for segments. All we have left

Leif: 01:29:14

are some plugs. But first, I want to thank you, Andy, for

Leif: 01:29:16

joining us today.

Steve: 01:29:18

Yeah, thank you so much. do you have anything you'd like to

Steve: 01:29:21

plug on the show and anything you'd like to share

Steve: 01:29:23

with anyone watching?

Andy: 01:29:26

well, thank you for having me. This was fun. And, yeah, I

Andy: 01:29:29

feel like, apparently, I still have stuff to say.

Andy: 01:29:31

It's like. It's like, I need to shut up more.

Leif: 01:29:34

you're free to come back next season.

Andy: 01:29:36

Oh, let's. Yeah, I'll pick another

Andy: 01:29:38

douche.

Steve: 01:29:39

Please do.

Andy: 01:29:41

Maybe a movie that I've seen the title based on.

Steve: 01:29:44

There we go.

Andy: 01:29:45

Yeah. In terms of plugs, like, I. Right now, I'm on

Andy: 01:29:48

hiatus on it, but the naked man pod is sort of

Andy: 01:29:51

the podcast I solo podcast I did after

Andy: 01:29:53

gossip guys, and it's, to me, probably the best, like,

Andy: 01:29:56

work I've ever done in terms of, I mean,

Andy: 01:29:59

podcasting, but also just work in general. Like, it's a, it's a mental health

Andy: 01:30:02

show. Like, it's called Naked man because it's about being

Andy: 01:30:04

naked emotionally and being vulnerable and having

Andy: 01:30:07

difficult conversations and, like, going into. It's an

Andy: 01:30:10

interview show, but I also do monologues and I didn't

Andy: 01:30:13

necessarily know it was going to be a mental health show

Andy: 01:30:16

or be about my own mental health. And it sort

Andy: 01:30:18

of started during COVID too. So like

Andy: 01:30:22

was a lot of. And the world has just continued to get

Andy: 01:30:24

scary. So I think it has a lot of that in there and just

Andy: 01:30:27

me growing and learning about myself and being more open about

Andy: 01:30:30

what it even means to be a man. so in a way

Andy: 01:30:33

that is sort of a through line from gossip guys to this

Andy: 01:30:36

because we were playing with the idea of like, oh, men liking. And so are

Andy: 01:30:39

you men liking dramas. Hahaha.

Andy: 01:30:42

and that. There's, there's nothing wrong with that or there shouldn't be.

Leif: 01:30:45

Yeah.

Andy: 01:30:45

but yeah, so I think that's what that show is. And then, you

Andy: 01:30:48

know, hopefully, depending on when you listen to this, maybe

Andy: 01:30:51

my first film will be out and ready to

Andy: 01:30:54

be seen. It's a short film called

Andy: 01:30:57

Contraction. it's a psychological horror film

Andy: 01:31:00

that I shot and I was like, yeah, my directorial

Andy: 01:31:03

debut. I'm submitting it to festivals now, but

Andy: 01:31:06

maybe depending on when you listen to it, might have a Vimeo link or on

Andy: 01:31:09

YouTube or something.

Leif: 01:31:10

Definitely share it with us and I will put it in the show notes.

Steve: 01:31:12

So. Yeah, and we'll blast it as much as

Steve: 01:31:15

we can too.

Leif: 01:31:17

Yeah, not much. This week I

Leif: 01:31:20

did watch the new season of Cobra Kai. Pretty. Or like the first

Leif: 01:31:23

half, I guess because the second half doesn't come out in first.

Steve: 01:31:26

Is it any good?

Leif: 01:31:27

it's got, it's got some funny parts, but yeah, the show's definitely gone on a

Leif: 01:31:30

little too long.

Steve: 01:31:31

Yeah, the first season was so fun and then I just

Steve: 01:31:34

felt like it just.

Leif: 01:31:36

Yeah. well, they're. They couldn't really keep going, with

Leif: 01:31:39

the Daniel and Johnny as the main plot. They had. They

Leif: 01:31:42

had to shift to the teenagers.

Steve: 01:31:43

Yeah, it was. I felt like once they broke that

Steve: 01:31:46

kid's neck, the levity just.

Leif: 01:31:48

Yeah, yeah, it went over the top with that, that. The

Leif: 01:31:51

big fight in school though.

Steve: 01:31:53

Yeah.

Leif: 01:31:53

Are you daddy, you watch the show at all?

Andy: 01:31:56

I have not. It's been on the list, you know, but

Andy: 01:31:59

no. And no worries about spoilers or anything like that. I've wanted

Andy: 01:32:01

to watch it, but now I probably won't, to be

Andy: 01:32:04

honest. I watch more

Andy: 01:32:07

movies than tv, weirdly. I'm like, I go, I'm zigging

Andy: 01:32:10

while other people are zagging.

Steve: 01:32:12

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Leif: 01:32:13

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and keep, following along.

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We will be back next week for season two,

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episode nine, there might be

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blood. The max episode description

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reads, Aaron has been keeping a secret from

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Serena already.

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What.

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They started dating yet?

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Not a good foundation of a relationship.

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Everyone out there.

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But until next time, you know you love us.

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Xoxo.

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Every time you walk away run away you take a

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piece of m me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of m me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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oh, it seems I'm walking right to

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your door.

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My heart's.

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Still resting looking for something

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more.

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Are.

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You ever gonna see everything you mean to me? I'm

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trying really hard to believe

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you

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never feels right when I'm out here.

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On my own.

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I left last night and it feels like

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way too long

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are you ever gonna see everything you mean

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to me? I'm trying really hard to believe

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every time you walk away, run away you take a piece

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of me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there.

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Come back to me

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smile and you'll make my life

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complete

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every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

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of me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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every time you walk away, run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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every time you walk away and run away you take a

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piece of meat with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there

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every time you walk away or run away you take a

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piece of me with you there.