Episode 21
Gossip Girl S2E21 - Seder Anything [w/Shari Weiss]
Hey Upper East Siders and Gossip Girl aficionados! This week on the Non Judging Breakfast Pod, Leif and Steve are back with special guest Shari Weiss from Teen Drama Whore to unravel the drama of Gossip Girl Season 2, Episode 21, "Seder Anything." As Blair navigates the treacherous waters of socialite life, Nate finds himself caught between family expectations and personal desires. Meanwhile, Serena's impromptu Spanish escapade leads to unexpected marital complications, and Chuck faces his past with a surprising apology to Jenny. Join our hosts as they dive into the chaos of the Upper East Side, with their usual humor and keen insights. Don't miss this episode filled with secrets, redemption, and plenty of farcical moments!
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Transcript
Foreign.
Leif:Hey up residers and all you scandal loving listeners
Leif:out there, you've just tuned into the non judging
Leif:breakfast pod where the coffee is strong,
Leif:the waffles are fresh, and the gossip is hotter
Leif:than ever. My name is Leif and I'm your seasoned
Leif:Gossip Girl veteran.
Steve:And I'm Steve, your newbie, your
Steve:greenhorn. You're. I don't know, leaf. What do we call
Steve:the season two newbie in Gossip Girl terms?
Leif:I don't know, but it sounds like you're still wondering. The Bassian
Leif:desert while I found the Vanderbilt province land.
Steve:Well, you just better keep grandfather happy
Steve:then.
Leif:Sounds good.
Steve:So here's the deal, folks. Leap has been, listen, watching
Steve:Gossip Girl since the very beginning. And I'm tuning in
Steve:for the first time. And together, we're your dynamic
Steve:duo, bringing you all the drama, romance, and
Steve:sometimes questionable fashion choices of this
Steve:iconic 2007 series.
Leif:That's right. Each week we're taking a deep dive into the
Leif:show. One episode at a time. We'll analyze
Leif:all the obscure references, hidden parallels,
Leif:and of course, the couture catastrophes.
Leif:And along the way, we'll take a look at some behind the scenes
Leif:gossip and stories from fandom.
Steve:And since we're all about inclusivity here at the non
Steve:judging breakfast pod, there is always room for you
Steve:at our non judging breakfast table. So. So please
Steve:grab a cup of coffee, a mimosa, or maybe some of,
Steve:Chuck's special medicine, and let's go ahead and get
Steve:started.
Leif:Sounds good, Steve. And we got make
Leif:some more room at the breakfast table this morning because we got a
Leif:guest. We are here with Shari
Leif:Weiss from Teen Drama or.
Shari Weiss:Hi.
Steve:Yes, thank you.
Shari Weiss:Thanks for having me.
Leif:thanks for joining us.
Steve:Thank you so much for being here today.
Leif:This episode will be released on
Leif:January 20.
Leif:Sherry, do you watch, Sex Lives of college Girls?
Shari Weiss:I haven't, but I need to. I know I need
Shari Weiss:to.
Leif:So there's. There's a little thing this week, and, this is not really.
Leif:Spoiler. Yeah, the cat. There's
Leif:one, a male character named Kanan.
Shari Weiss:Okay.
Leif:And in the episode, he does this little. They're in
Leif:the gym and he kind of lifts up his shirt, like show off his
Leif:abs. And this guy, he's in good shape. He's in much
Leif:better shape than me. And. But
Leif:everyone's talked about the episodes, like, what's going on?
Leif:They CGI his abs there,
Leif:or was it a prosthetic?
Leif:And you know, because also the episode, he was, a Halloween party
Leif:and he was playing a boxer so you had his shirt off completely and it
Leif:didn't have those, like, cartoonish abs.
Leif:And then a day later, like, the next day after
Leif:the episode came out, turns out the
Leif:US Is the only broadcast that had this on
Leif:it. It was not added for the
Leif:other Canadian broadcast or anywhere else in the world.
Shari Weiss:That's so strange.
Leif:Yeah. So apparently, you gotta
Leif:have cartoonish, abs in the U.S.
Leif:i guess.
Shari Weiss:We have high standards.
Steve:I never wanted a six pack because I always had a
Steve:keg.
Shari Weiss:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah. Anyways, we are here
Leif:to talk about season two, episode
Leif:21 of Gossip Girl, titled
Leif:Seder. Anything. The original air date
Leif:was April 20, 2009.
Steve:Yes. One of, one of my favorite
Steve:movies. I absolutely love
Steve:say Anything.
Leif:Of course.
Steve:John Cusack.
Leif:Yep. 89. Cameron Crow film with John
Leif:Cusack. Ione Sky.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:Even if you've ever seen it, most people probably know the
Leif:jukebox above the head.
Steve:Yeah, exactly. I actually worked in the mall
Steve:where they met when I lived in Seattle. That's.
Shari Weiss:Wow.
Steve:Yeah. I remember watching and being re watching
Steve:it in Seattle, and they drive by it, and I'm like, wait, I.
Steve:I work there.
Leif:so this episode was written by Amanda
Leif:Lasher. This is her third. Third episode of the
Leif:season. Previously wrote Pret de Por J
Leif:and Gone with the Will.
Steve:Yeah. Decent, right?
Leif:Yeah. Good. Episodes and episodes directed
Leif:by John Stevens. This is his first time
Leif:in the director's chair, but you might recognize his name because
Leif:he wrote three episodes this season.
Steve:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:If you watch the O.C. you'd also recognize his name
Shari Weiss:because he was a big writer and producer
Shari Weiss:over there as well.
Leif:Yes.
Steve:Oh, okay. So, so clearly a Josh
Steve:Schwartz team member for
Steve:sure. That was brought along.
Leif:Yeah. This is his first time in the director's chair, though.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:Steve, why don't you go ahead and read that Vulture recap?
Steve:Sure thing. Because of
Steve:Passover, the theme of Gossip Girl was,
Steve:fittingly, redemption. As
Steve:Cyrus, the drama's spiritual center,
Steve:prepared a brisket for an evening seder, the
Steve:characters around him continued to simmer in the
Steve:oily stew pot that is the Upper
Steve:east side, trying like so many
Steve:aromatic vegetables to hang on
Steve:to their individual essence while
Steve:absorbing and being absorbed by
Steve:others. After much mishigos,
Steve:Blair was forgiven by Nate and later Cyrus
Steve:for acting like a, social climbing
Steve:psychopath. She is changing for the better.
Steve:Chuck confirmed, who redeemed himself for his first
Steve:season sin of trying to rape Jenny on the roof of the
Steve:kiss on the lips party by offering her
Steve:a heartfelt apology. Meanwhile,
Steve:Serena was forgiven by her mother, Lily,
Steve:for Running away to Barcelona,
Steve:causing a scene at Eleanor Seder and the
Steve:general sin of being an exotic
Steve:butterfly who merely wants to be free, but
Steve:sometimes makes mistakes. Oh, sweetie.
Steve:Lily tells her daughter during their heartfelt
Steve:conversation, which takes place in front of a glass
Steve:doored refrigerator packed with colorful
Steve:produce. I could never think of you as a bad
Steve:person. You got into Brown.
Leif:Any thoughts?
Shari Weiss:It's fun. That was written by
Shari Weiss:Vulture. yeah, by Jessica Pressler.
Leif:And I think it's a man
Leif:actually writes the. The recast for Gas.
Shari Weiss:Okay.
Leif:yeah, I forgot his name though.
Shari Weiss:It was pretty spot on.
Leif:Go ahead and get into the episode. We
Leif:begin act one with another Blair dream
Leif:sequence. She is a character in an Audrey Eprom
Leif:film. Once again, this time Eliza Doolittle from My
Leif:Fair Lady. Blair awakens to a Gossip Girl
Leif:monologue. When you lose hope in a
Leif:dream, sometimes all you have left with
Leif:is sleepless nights. while some call the doctor for a
Leif:refill, I find the best solution is
Leif:a full social calendar.
Steve:Something really interesting about this dream though. Cuz
Steve:she's not just Eliza Doolittle, she's also
Steve:Mrs. Higgins. Yes, right. So
Steve:she is both the protagonist and
Steve:antagonist here, showing that she's the one
Steve:who's looking down on. On her.
Steve:You know, she is the one who is not
Steve:living up to her own standards.
Leif:any thoughts on the dream?
Shari Weiss:I just thought it was another example of the, of the
Shari Weiss:classic Blair dream sequences where
Shari Weiss:they blend reality
Shari Weiss:and fiction in a way that is also a really
Shari Weiss:great cinematic homage. you know, a lot of people think
Shari Weiss:OSSA Girl is low culture, but would
Shari Weiss:a low culture piece of art be paying
Shari Weiss:tribute to the iconic films of Audrey
Shari Weiss:Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe and all these
Shari Weiss:other sequences that we see come to life?
Leif:Oh, yeah, it's clear the writers are pretty
Leif:big cinema. and literature nerds.
Steve:Yeah, very much.
Leif:Blair is catching Cyrus up on the gossip as he is
Leif:preparing for Passover dinner. Cyrus offers to
Leif:help Blair with nyu, but Blair has given up on
Leif:college and has committed to the life of a
Leif:socialite. Eleanor is clear clearly not pleased
Leif:with this direction for her daughter.
Steve:No, yeah, I, she's just not cool
Steve:with raising a socialite, which I.
Leif:Real north women are not socialites.
Steve:Yeah, I love that about Eleanor is you're
Steve:going to, you're going to get something
Steve:more than just being a socialite.
Steve:I, I've always respected Eleanor and
Steve:her drive and her ambition.
Shari Weiss:Yeah, makes sense. she's an anomaly in the cast of
Shari Weiss:characters.
Leif:Serena is back from Spain. She is greeted by
Leif:a creepy Chuck, who claims to be over
Leif:Blair. Chuck calls out Serena claiming to be
Leif:in Spain with Poppy when Poppy has been back for
Leif:town. Back in town for a week.
Steve:Yeah. Chuck being gross. Yeah.
Leif:I saw, the one reference to Vanessa
Leif:in the episode.
Steve:Oh, I didn't even catch that he referenced
Steve:her.
Leif:He said I had a thing with the boho barista for a
Leif:minute.
Steve:Wow. I didn't. I didn't
Steve:even take that as a
Steve:Vanessa thing. That's really funny. But also,
Steve:Chuck catches Serena in her lie
Steve:about being in Spain with Poppy.
Leif:Indeed. Yeah. Chuck mentions the boho
Leif:baristas. That's the one Vanessa mentioned in the
Leif:episode. And he's saying, I realized I was 17 year
Leif:old Billionaire with stamina.
Shari Weiss:Yeah. Vomit inducing.
Leif:Yeah. Blair and Nate are making out in
Leif:front of the church. They go in and discuss Nate getting
Leif:into Yale and Columbia. Blair gets more bad
Leif:news when Maureen comes up and tells her that she didn't get
Leif:into the Junior Whitney committee.
Leif:Not good for Blair right now.
Steve:No, it
Steve:takes a while to start to matter.
Steve:Just told her she hasn't begun to
Steve:matter.
Leif:And, ah, Nate being a little insensitive, talking about how he got
Leif:into both Yale and Columbia.
Steve:But also for you, Nate.
Leif:in Brooklyn, Dan notices some possible
Leif:sparks between Jenny and her lab partner, Wes.
Leif:Rufus can't make any money and he refuses to let
Leif:Dan get a job. However, Rufus leaves to go
Leif:shopping with Lily, and Jenny thinks she has a job
Leif:for Dan.
Shari Weiss:I thought the idea that came up of selling the loft was an
Shari Weiss:interesting one.
Leif:Yeah. was that the last episode?
Steve:That was the last episode. They're gonna sell the loft.
Leif:This episode, he decides he's gonna sell the gallery.
Leif:Right which way to go? Rufus,
Leif:you need money, so sell your livelihood.
Steve:Yeah, no, but, there
Steve:is a willingness there for Rufus to live off of
Steve:Willy. You know, he's like, lily wants to go buy a new
Steve:whatever, and I'm going to go shopping with Lily instead of
Steve:doing any of the responsible things I need to take care of. Like,
Steve:I'm not going to the gallery to work right now. I'm going to go shopping
Steve:with my girlfriend.
Shari Weiss:He's slowly getting introduced to the finer things in life, and
Shari Weiss:I think he's liking it more than he wants to admit.
Steve:Hey, I think you are very.
Leif:Just let her pay for college, God damn it.
Steve:Thank you.
Leif:Back at the church, the grandfather makes a deal
Leif:with Blair to help convince Nate to choose Yale over
Leif:Columbia.
Steve:Bea knows the game.
Leif:Yeah, but she should know that Nate doesn't like that kind
Leif:of thing.
Shari Weiss:She should, but it's not beneath
Shari Weiss:her to play a game. Right.
Leif:So yeah, it's definitely in character.
Steve:Especially a game that feels like an
Steve:easy wood, you know? Oh, I just need to
Steve:nudge him in the direction of Yale. Sure. He's already, you know,
Steve:fine. No problem.
Leif:And also, like, previous to the scene, he
Leif:was kind of definitely like on the fence. He
Leif:wasn't leaning one way or the other.
Steve:Yeah, he was definitely right down the middle. So it didn't seem like a
Steve:hard thing to push him one way or the other.
Shari Weiss:Well, except for the fact that he didn't want to go to Yale just because he felt
Shari Weiss:like he was only accepted because of his
Shari Weiss:grandfather. So I think maybe going
Shari Weiss:to Columbia, he felt that was more
Shari Weiss:of a genuine admission that he earned.
Steve:Right.
Shari Weiss:This is the Yale admission.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:Cyrus gets a call from Serena who says she needs a
Leif:lawyer. And we go to our first commercial break.
Steve:Oh no. Who did she hand cocaine to?
Shari Weiss:Who did she almost kill or actually kill?
Leif:Back from commercials. Rufus is carrying Lily's
Leif:shopping bags back to her apartment. Rufus is
Leif:still whining about not selling any art.
Steve:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:Might actually have to be in your gallery and meet
Shari Weiss:with clients to sell art.
Steve:Yeah, it helps.
Leif:Serena comes into the living room and Lily asks Rufus to
Leif:excuse them. Lily is not happy about Serena's
Leif:trip to Spain. Lily grounds Serena.
Shari Weiss:I'm still amazed that ah, as like, as rich as these
Shari Weiss:people are and the lifestyle they live, that
Shari Weiss:she as this as a minor
Shari Weiss:child is able to just leave
Shari Weiss:and flee to another country. It
Shari Weiss:will come back at will and what have you. And
Shari Weiss:that's what ah, almost makes it hilarious, the idea of
Shari Weiss:Lily grounding her. Yeah,
Shari Weiss:she was grounded to obey that.
Leif:Well, at least some of them are 18 at this
Leif:point.
Leif:We know Blair is definitely 18 and Dan is definitely 18
Leif:because he mentioned.
Steve:That when he was banging a teacher.
Shari Weiss:Yes, I'd have get that in there for legal reasons.
Leif:Yeah, just like the
Leif:SC when they. They magically changed Luke's age.
Shari Weiss:Yeah. With Julie. Exactly what I was thinking,
Shari Weiss:Leif.
Steve:And the other thing we've talked often about how Lily
Steve:is a good parent to everyone but her own kids.
Shari Weiss:Children.
Steve:Yeah. And here's a great example
Steve:of. As a parent, I know that one of the
Steve:hardest things to do is stop and
Steve:listen to what your kid is saying before
Steve:formulating your ideas. And
Steve:because you're already mad and you're already hot about it and it's
Steve:really, really hard to step out of that moment and
Steve:listen to their explanation and listen to what they have to
Steve:say. But it's an important part of
Steve:parenting to do that.
Leif:Serena calls Blair. Blair comments
Leif:on how much better being with Nate is and
Leif:compares herself to the suffering of the Jewish people.
Leif:Serena susses out that Blair won't be at her
Leif:home all day, so she could presumably go
Leif:see Cyrus without Blair knowing.
Steve:Robin took pause,
Steve:comparing her plight.
Shari Weiss:Such a hard life that she lives.
Leif:Poor Blair.
Shari Weiss:She's been wandering in the desert for 40 years.
Leif:Yeah. It looks like Dan got the
Leif:cater waiter job as he gets out of the catering van with his new
Leif:co worker and Dan goes into overshare mode
Leif:before realizing whose house they are at.
Leif:Eleanor walks up and mentions that Dan looks
Leif:familiar.
Steve:I love this. It is the start of some very
Steve:classic farce writing,
Steve:like the. The. A lot of the Satyr
Steve:storyline. A lot of the Waldorf house
Steve:is run like a farce, and most of it
Steve:is done really well.
Shari Weiss:that was my observation as well, that it was a classic
Shari Weiss:Gossip Girl episode in that it centers
Shari Weiss:around an event that brings people together in
Shari Weiss:unexpected ways. And it's a, full farce all the
Shari Weiss:way.
Steve:Yeah, yeah. Which, if I remember
Steve:correctly, My Fair Lady. Although
Steve:I don't think My Fair lady is classified as a farce.
Steve:I think Pigmalion is the original
Steve:play, so again, it ties into that
Steve:opening scene as well.
Shari Weiss:Right.
Leif:Good point. Once inside,
Leif:Dan is trying to get out of the job, but Eleanor offers to
Leif:pay them double, which causes Dan's coworker Corrine
Leif:to pressure Dan as well.
Steve:That was so funny.
Leif:Understandable.
Shari Weiss:I mean, money's persuasive.
Leif:Yeah.
Steve:And Eleanor knows how to get shit
Steve:done. I need this done, Dan. I'm going to
Steve:give you more money. Just do it.
Shari Weiss:It's also funny that Eleanor even thought she needed a wait staff
Shari Weiss:for like, the five guests that she was having.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:I like how much Dan actually knows about their. Like, she, like, oh,
Leif:derota can help. Yeah, like, wow,
Leif:Dan, you know a lot about Blair's house.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:We shift back to Nate and Blair.
Leif:Nate, who earlier today was unsure about which college
Leif:to choose, is now firmly in the Columbia
Leif:camp. Blair fails to sway Nate back to
Leif:Yale.
Shari Weiss:It's interesting that she'd be willing to go along
Shari Weiss:with Nate going to yell because that would make a long distance
Shari Weiss:relationship for them. And you would think that she wouldn't want
Shari Weiss:that, that she would find it for the sake of their
Shari Weiss:relationship. She should want him to go to Columbia and just,
Shari Weiss:you know, be in the same city. But it shows how
Shari Weiss:misguided her motives are that she Cares more about
Shari Weiss:working with the junior community and getting
Shari Weiss:what she wants. And she's okay being, you know,
Shari Weiss:hours away from her boyfriend.
Steve:I also feel like, tied into that. There's an
Steve:element of if he's at Yale,
Steve:she can kind of vicariously
Steve:fulfill her dream too.
Shari Weiss:Okay. Versus being jealous of him.
Steve:Right.
Leif:And the possibility of getting in next year to Yale.
Shari Weiss:Yeah. I thought you were gonna say when you said that
Shari Weiss:if he's at Yale, in a way, the
Shari Weiss:mice can play that, like, without having Nate in
Shari Weiss:town. She's actually liberated in some
Shari Weiss:ways to.
Steve:That's probably to scheme and do
Steve:her.
Shari Weiss:And run into Chuck and, you
Shari Weiss:know.
Leif:We get a little Gossip Girl blur between scenes
Leif:here. Obi, too bad
Leif:you weren't invited to Nate and Trip's lunch, because whatever
Leif:happened, it looks like you're the one paying.
Steve:We've briefly touched on it last week, and now
Steve:it's really coming through that Trip is a shit
Steve:starter.
Leif:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:It was not until rewatching this that I realized
Shari Weiss:why he's called Trip and it's called
Shari Weiss:he's Triple because he's, William Milling
Shari Weiss:the third.
Leif:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:And I feel like I went through years not realizing
Shari Weiss:this. I just felt like he was genuinely
Shari Weiss:like his God given name was Trip
Shari Weiss:and not that it was triple. And that
Shari Weiss:triple in itself was a nickname.
Shari Weiss:This is my epiphany.
Leif:It's a. It's actually a pretty common nickname
Leif:for those Rick. People name their
Leif:sons after each other three times in a row.
Shari Weiss:Yeah, I wouldn't know that.
Leif:And we see Serena is telling Cyrus that she got married
Leif:in Spain. Somehow cater waiter Dan was hiding
Leif:behind the much smaller Cyrus and overhears what Serena
Leif:said.
Shari Weiss:How's she gonna hide beside Cyrus?
Leif:It's like, how do you not see him there?
Steve:Yeah,
Steve:yeah. You who hides behind Sean
Steve:Wallace or Wallace Shaw.
Shari Weiss:Tiny child.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:Act two. Serena explains how she got drunk and
Leif:may or may not have married Poppy's boyfriend
Leif:Gabriel. Dan is understandably a little
Leif:salty about this.
Steve:Dan is hilarious in this too.
Leif:Yes, you're the wife of the land of Genery,
Leif:and I'm a cater waiter at Seder.
Shari Weiss:I just love any story that brings Dan and Serena
Shari Weiss:back together, and especially this one,
Shari Weiss:because as we'll get to later in the episode, they do have to
Shari Weiss:pretend that they're back. They're actually romantically back
Shari Weiss:together. And, you know, as a Dorina fan, for
Shari Weiss:the most part, I just. Just like when they're
Shari Weiss:back in each other's webs like this, and, you know, they
Shari Weiss:weren't For a bit because of. You know, we had
Shari Weiss:Aaron and we had Rachel Carr and what have you. So
Shari Weiss:there were interludes, and,
Leif:And they got back together for, like, five minutes in
Leif:between those two relationships somehow.
Steve:And the other thing that I keep coming back to is that
Steve:Dan really takes the we're friends
Steve:seriously, and he really tries to be a
Steve:friend to Serena a lot of the
Steve:time. He's done it in the past few.
Leif:Episodes, which Lily points out at the end
Leif:there.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:At the rehearsal dinner, Blair asks Nate what's going
Leif:on. Nate completely ignores the grandfather,
Leif:who becomes suspicious.
Steve:Boom, boom, boom.
Leif:Rufus and Lily arrive at Seder. Eleanor is happy to
Leif:see them and hints at Dan working in the party.
Steve:I'm so happy you invited yourself.
Steve:Seemed like such a. She was actually
Steve:happy because she wanted the buffer but also wanted
Steve:to make sure that she pointed out to Lily.
Steve:Yeah, you invited yourself.
Steve:The other thing. I loved the did you know?
Steve:Well, you'll find out.
Leif:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:Which is just part of the great farce set up.
Steve:Yeah. M. Yeah, it really is. It just,
Steve:Everything has to be in a hurry. There's no time
Steve:to explain that your son is here waiting tables.
Steve:You'll find out. It was
Steve:really well done.
Leif:Dan and Serena enter the party. Serena says
Leif:Blair invited her, and then she invited Dan. Rufus
Leif:notices Dan is dressed like a cater waiter, but doesn't
Leif:quite put two and two together.
Shari Weiss:You know, I actually don't think his. His outfit was
Shari Weiss:that. I'm a server here. Like, that much of
Shari Weiss:a giveaway. I feel like somebody could actually get.
Leif:Away with wearing that, especially since Dan is known
Leif:for wearing vests.
Shari Weiss:And it's black and it's white, and it's just. I don't
Shari Weiss:know.
Leif:It's a classic look.
Shari Weiss:Yeah.
Steve:Yeah. And. And again, just the.
Steve:The farcical Eleanor
Steve:walks in. Oh, but Blair's not going to be here. All
Steve:of these excuses that are coming off
Steve:at, the top of their heads. It was. I loved
Steve:that. This was my. Actually my favorite of those
Steve:farcical seals.
Shari Weiss:Yeah.
Leif:Jenny and Wes are at the Vander Woodsen apartment getting
Leif:ready to play Monopoly when Chuck
Leif:bursts in with his conquest for the night. Wes and
Leif:Jenny get a little awkward at Chuck's lurid
Leif:display.
Steve:I like seeing Jenny with a nice boy.
Shari Weiss:Yeah.
Steve:And Monopoly.
Shari Weiss:She deserves some innocence.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah, she does.
Leif:Back at the Waldorfs, Lily is talking up
Leif:Rufus to the art collector.
Shari Weiss:You know, even Lily has ulterior motives.
Steve:You should. You should move your. Your. You
Steve:should move your gallery to the city. It's Funny to
Steve:me, because anyone who doesn't live in New York City,
Steve:the city is all of New York City.
Steve:Brooklyn is the city.
Leif:Well, also the fact that he said Williamsburg is dead.
Leif:I mean. Yeah,
Leif:that didn't.
Shari Weiss:Not in 2024.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah, it was.
Leif:Funny artist.
Steve:Yeah. I was gonna say that this was around the time that
Steve:Williamsburg really started picking up,
Steve:too.
Shari Weiss:Right. Like, not. I'm not saying this to
Shari Weiss:reference the Gossip Girl Max's version
Shari Weiss:of it, but, like, if there was a Gossip Girl
Shari Weiss:today, they wouldn't be beating on
Shari Weiss:Brooklyn, like, in the way that the original
Shari Weiss:series did. Yeah, there would be. There would need to be a different
Shari Weiss:way to show that the Humphreys were of lower
Shari Weiss:stature.
Steve:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:From the wrong part of town.
Leif:And, yeah, I've not watched the reboot, but I believe the
Leif:richest character is from Brooklyn.
Shari Weiss:ob. maybe. I don't remember. I mean, I did watch all of it, but
Shari Weiss:I've tried to block it from my memory.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:I watched, like, the first 15 minutes. I was like, no, it's not for
Leif:me.
Shari Weiss:Yeah.
Leif:Serena tries to apologize to Dan about
Leif:marrying Gabriel, but Eleanor repeatedly yells for Dan
Leif:to get the matzah.
Shari Weiss:Have a Seder without matzah.
Steve:I mean.
Leif:Yeah.
Steve:And I love. I love the whole time
Steve:that I believe. This is also
Steve:where Rufus kind of looks at Dan like, why would you do that? And he
Steve:goes, I'm just gonna go with it. Now.
Steve:She keeps talking to him like a waiter, and Dan
Steve:keeps acting like he's. Or Rufus keeps acting like he's a
Steve:guest.
Shari Weiss:It's almost like.
Steve:Loved it.
Shari Weiss:They're building a house of cards. Or, like, the opposite of
Shari Weiss:Jenga. Like, as each thing has happened, another
Shari Weiss:card or another block is added, and it's
Shari Weiss:like, at what point is this whole thing going to topple over?
Steve:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:We eventually see that it all comes falling
Shari Weiss:down.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:At the rehearsal, Blair is asking Trip
Leif:what's going on with Nate. Before Trip can reveal his
Leif:conversation with Nate, Nate clinks his glass for a
Leif:toast. Nate reveals that it was the grandfather
Leif:who dimed out the captain back in season one.
Steve:More shit starting from. From Trip, though. Like, we see
Steve:that Tripp is a shit starter and he's not looking out
Steve:for Nate's best interest, because
Steve:what do.
Leif:We think his motives are?
Steve:Steve, My. I would assume
Steve:that he wants Nate out of
Steve:the family for his because he doesn't want
Steve:Nate to gain any kind of
Steve:position over him. That's my.
Steve:That's my working theory right now, is
Steve:that Nate now has this internship at the
Steve:Mayor's office coming up, and that Trip is
Steve:worried that Nate might try to get in his
Steve:way.
Shari Weiss:The timing is interesting because this is the backdrop of all this,
Shari Weiss:is Trip and Maureen getting married, and you would think that
Shari Weiss:Trip would want the focus solely on him, that
Shari Weiss:it's his day, it's his time, and yet he's stirring
Shari Weiss:with the pot in a way that takes attention away from
Shari Weiss:him and puts it on Nate and the
Shari Weiss:grandfather. So it's an interesting
Shari Weiss:tactic.
Leif:Oh, B. Looks like you hitched your wagon to a
Leif:falling star.
Leif:Gabriel shows up the Seder looking for Serena,
Leif:and Gossip Girl takes us to the commercial break with this
Leif:zinger. Baruch atta a
Leif:Dios mios. This Passover is gonna
Leif:get its own Spanish inquisition.
Shari Weiss:Oh, my gosh. I hated that. I hated that
Shari Weiss:one.
Steve:I hated God.
Steve:Gabriel, first of all, what the are you doing just
Steve:showing up at some. Not even the person you're
Steve:looking for. You're not even going to her
Steve:house. You're going to her friend's house to
Steve:a dinner they're having. Why
Steve:the would this person show up here?
Steve:It does align perfectly with any
Steve:farce, for sure. It is
Steve:very. yeah, as far as the writing scheme
Steve:of being a farce is concerned. Yes,
Steve:but in the realm of real life. What
Steve:the.
Shari Weiss:I was gonna say that I liked Army Hammer in the Social
Shari Weiss:Network, but rewatching this episode reminded me that I
Shari Weiss:think he just did a horrible acting job in this role
Shari Weiss:of Gabriel.
Steve:Terrible.
Shari Weiss:Yeah, it's just a. Just terrible
Shari Weiss:acting, and it's
Shari Weiss:strange knowing where he is in
Shari Weiss:2024.
Leif:And what I was going to say was that in
Leif:this show, everyone just shows up everywhere. So I always
Leif:take that place. No one ever calls. They just show
Leif:up.
Steve:But Armie Hammer. I don't think they're serving what you like.
Shari Weiss:No.
Steve:I don't think it's kosher.
Shari Weiss:No.
Leif:He would flesh it out on the passover menu.
Shari Weiss:No, certainly not at
Shari Weiss:Elmer's.
Leif:As, we move into Act 3, Dan
Leif:interrupts the Seder to tell Serena that she needs to come to the
Leif:foyer.
Shari Weiss:I like your pronunciation there.
Leif:Thank you. That's three years of high school
Leif:French for you.
Steve:Poor Cyrus. I really
Steve:feel so bad.
Leif:He really soldiered on through, everything that was.
Steve:He did.
Leif:Gabriel is trying to talk to Serena, but Serena
Leif:interrupts to tell him that she is back together with Dan, who
Leif:just goes along for the ride. Eleanor comes to
Leif:the foyer, and, much to Serena's dismay,
Leif:invites Gabriel to dinner.
Shari Weiss:More the merrier. There's, you know, the Extra chair for
Shari Weiss:Elijah, plenty of seats to
Shari Weiss:go around.
Leif:Speaking of which, do you want to explain that to our,
Leif:non Jewish audience?
Shari Weiss:Oh, I don't know that I sufficiently can, we leave
Shari Weiss:a chair open symbolically for Elijah to
Shari Weiss:invite him to our seder table. If you'd like to know
Shari Weiss:why, I suggest Googling, if you can. I'm gonna
Shari Weiss:sufficiently remember off the top of my
Shari Weiss:head.
Leif:So the basic gist is
Leif:that he's there to confirm that the men
Leif:are circumcised.
Steve:I'm kind of glad he never shows up.
Leif:He also takes part in Bris's,
Shari Weiss:Would contribute further to the farce, though.
Shari Weiss:Yeah, that component didn't take
Shari Weiss:place.
Steve:and Gabriel is super creepy
Steve:too. Like, the acting
Steve:just. And his mannerisms
Steve:and his dialogue is just so, like,
Steve:forceful and wooden
Steve:in.
Shari Weiss:A way that just. There's nothing that
Shari Weiss:endears you to him.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:And.
Steve:And why would you. I, understand again, for
Steve:the farce, it's funny that he stays,
Steve:but why would you as a person walk into
Steve:this place and be like, okay, sure, I want to
Steve:meet all of your family. Person that I
Steve:spent a couple days with who doesn't want me here.
Shari Weiss:I think they lack self awareness in a way and, like,
Shari Weiss:have a tunnel vision of like, this is my
Shari Weiss:end goal and so I'm going to stay here to achieve it.
Shari Weiss:Versus picking up on normal social cues that would tell
Shari Weiss:him, oh, this is not the right time and place for this.
Steve:I should write.
Leif:Yeah. Jumping to the end of the episode, is
Leif:it possible that the bad acting was intentional?
Leif:Like, was the show? The character is not a good.
Steve:Yeah, there's. There's that possibility too.
Shari Weiss:But I like, I feel like in every episode
Shari Weiss:where we have Gabriel, like Army's acting is
Shari Weiss:adjust just this wooden
Shari Weiss:terribleness.
Steve:Yeah, he was terrible when we first met him.
Steve:At the end of last episode for sure.
Leif:At the rehearsal, the grandfather approaches Blair
Leif:and gives her a five minute deadline to fix things
Leif:with Nate.
Shari Weiss:Five minutes? A whole five minute?
Steve:Yeah. You just grabbed a teenage
Steve:girl by the grandfather.
Steve:Unbelievable.
Shari Weiss:Even if someone happened to witness that moment,
Shari Weiss:who in that room was gonna stand up to the grandfather and be
Shari Weiss:like, manhandles her?
Steve:Yeah, maybe Nate in this moment.
Shari Weiss:Had he seen it?
Steve:Yes, had he seen it?
Leif:Things at the Seder start to heat up as Serena
Leif:pulls Dan in to sit next to her. Rufus and
Leif:Lily are both appalled when they see Serena and Dan
Leif:holding hands. Cyrus attempts to soldier
Leif:on.
Leif:I like that Lily notices it. That
Leif:has to point it out to Rufus.
Steve:How fucking rude you're at
Steve:someone else's party.
Steve:And this is where the, where it started actually.
Steve:Like I started to get annoyed by
Steve:it, but I did like the the hand
Steve:holding the. She. She's my boyfriend.
Steve:I thought that was funny.
Shari Weiss:And not only are you at Salatha's party, but like in that very
Shari Weiss:moment, someone is trying to conduct a religious
Shari Weiss:ceremony.
Steve:Yes.
Shari Weiss:You basically interrupt the proceedings to confront
Shari Weiss:your kids on whether or not they're back together.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:Chuck is getting hot and heavy with his date when he realizes
Leif:he had already been with this woman previously. He gets
Leif:up to get a. I.
Shari Weiss:Was surprised that that was a turn off for him.
Steve:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:That killed his mood and I don't.
Leif:Know why, at ah, this point he's just
Leif:wants a new girl every, every night and he doesn't
Leif:want the emotional connection because he's
Leif:a 17 year old billionaire with stamina.
Steve:Honestly, I bet that was a big part of it.
Steve:The I've already been here and that
Steve:is now becoming a relationship even though it's been a
Steve:year after.
Shari Weiss:Remember her?
Steve:Yeah. but I'm saying that after, after being with
Steve:Vanessa for a brief period of time, but
Steve:definitely worse, I'm assuming more than once,
Steve:you know, And I think that then
Steve:going from that to being with someone he's already been with,
Steve:it's like, oh, no, no, no, I'm not doing that.
Leif:Yes. To a normal person who it, it seems
Leif:weird, but, Chuck's twisted mind, it makes sense.
Steve:That's kind of where I landed.
Leif:Yeah. Out, in the living room, Chuck is
Leif:once again making Jenny and Wes feel awkward.
Leif:Jenny tells Wes to meet her at the elevator so they can take a
Leif:walk. Jenny hangs back and absolutely
Leif:eviscerates Chuck with her words. Oh, I love
Leif:that. I love it.
Steve:It was so good. And I'm so glad
Steve:that they finally addressed the kiss on the lips
Steve:party, that they finally addressed the
Steve:assault in season one that we have just
Steve:been doing this glow up for a season and a half
Steve:of poor little Chuck. Lonely, poor little
Steve:Chuck, sad boy with his dad dying and all that.
Steve:But we finally have gotten
Steve:that addressed from episode one.
Shari Weiss:It was very satisfying.
Steve:Yes.
Leif:Yeah. We'll talk about where we get into the phantom section
Leif:at the end. But yeah, people were actually surprised
Leif:because like, people were considering the pilot episode to be like, not
Leif:even canon at this point.
Shari Weiss:Right.
Leif:It was also mentioned that Chuck had a mom and like a couple other
Leif:things that, you know, it was not.
Steve:That Chuck had a mom, but that Chuck had his
Steve:mom's pills. So
Steve:it doesn't say she's alive. It says that he still has her
Steve:pills, which. That's a little
Steve:shocking that they're not gone.
Shari Weiss:Have they not expired?
Steve:Yeah, and it did. It made the kiss on the
Steve:lips party canon, which I really
Steve:appreciated that they did that and addressed it
Steve:finally.
Shari Weiss:Completely agree.
Leif:At the rehearsal, Blair tells Nate that he
Leif:did the right thing and that they should leave.
Leif:Blair goes to get her coat and the grandfather steps in to
Leif:manipulate the situation to his advantage. And
Leif:Blair's downfall.
Steve:We, we used to talk about Leighton Meester's
Steve:acting all the time
Steve:because it's always spectacular.
Steve:And I feel like we haven't really talked about it as much,
Steve:recently because we've just gotten so used to
Steve:it. And this scene,
Steve:her facial expressions,
Steve:her reactions to Nate and Grant
Steve:and everything around her happening, it was
Steve:so moving.
Leif:Mm, And Gossip Girl comes
Leif:in with Watch out,
Leif:Bea. Seems like just when you got
Leif:it right, William Vanderbilt is going to do
Leif:you wrong.
Leif:And we go back to the satyr once again. Cyrus keeps
Leif:getting interrupted by Dan, Serena, Willy,
Leif:Rufus and Gabriel. The truth about
Leif:Dan's job gets out as well as the fact that he and
Leif:Serena are not back together.
Steve:And this is where I was really like, what the
Steve:fuck? How are you this rude and
Steve:irreverent? You basically. It's
Steve:basically like you're having this conversation at, at
Steve:church, right? Like this is a religious
Steve:ceremony that you were in that you invited
Steve:yourself to. And now you're ruining
Steve:it because your kids holding hands with someone.
Steve:Shut the fuck up. There's time to talk after the
Steve:ceremony.
Shari Weiss:Or just politely excuse yourself. Hey, Dan,
Shari Weiss:Serena, can we talk to you in the other room?
Shari Weiss:Yeah, it can't wait. Of course it should wait.
Shari Weiss:But there was a way to have that conversation that was
Shari Weiss:not in the way that they did it. But this is that, this is that
Shari Weiss:house of cards.
Steve:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:crumbling.
Leif:And it just makes for good tv.
Steve:And I loved, Yeah, it does. And I did love
Steve:Dan being. And it's
Steve:funny, I don't know if
Steve:I would have
Steve:recognized how
Steve:disrespectful that was if I
Steve:didn't marry a Jewish woman and go to a
Steve:Seder every year for the past 12 years
Steve:and really understand what, what
Steve:it is. So I could see
Steve:how to people that don't
Steve:really know what it is. How it doesn't seem
Steve:as rude or as
Steve:irreverent. It was the irreverence that really got
Steve:me. And I'm not a reverent
Steve:person, but having that
Steve:respect for somebody Running a religious
Steve:ceremony. That was what got me.
Shari Weiss:I'm, so glad you said this, Steve, because this is actually my issue with
Shari Weiss:how, Judaism is treated on Gossip
Shari Weiss:Girl, and why the line about, you
Shari Weiss:know, like, bothers
Shari Weiss:me so much, is that,
Shari Weiss:instead of being treated with reverence, Judaism
Shari Weiss:on the show is often used as a punchline. And, it's a way
Shari Weiss:to,
Shari Weiss:To me, it comes off as laughing at. Instead of laughing
Shari Weiss:with. To your point, if you knew
Shari Weiss:about how important a seder was,
Shari Weiss:you wouldn't make it, a farce like this. Which is not
Shari Weiss:to say that people don't have funny seders. There's
Shari Weiss:fun songs that we sing at Passover. There can be
Shari Weiss:silly moments. It's not like this, like,
Shari Weiss:stoic thing. but
Shari Weiss:the.
Steve:It's a very jovial ceremony. It's supposed to be
Steve:a very happy ceremony. Yeah,
Steve:exactly. I always complain that I
Steve:don't get to lay down at my mother in law's house. It's in
Steve:the book. I should be allowed to lay down when I meet.
Shari Weiss:At least get a pillow for your back.
Shari Weiss:But just, you know, and it's.
Shari Weiss:Is why I wanted, to discuss this episode. and
Shari Weiss:just, of course, there's the great irony of
Shari Weiss:the. The token Jewish character being
Shari Weiss:played by Lala Shan, who's actually very
Shari Weiss:anti Israel and has been outspoken in the last couple
Shari Weiss:of years. And so there's. There's. There's
Shari Weiss:layers.
Steve:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:Nate and Blair are leaving the rehearsal, and Nate
Leif:confronts Blair about her deal with the grandfather.
Leif:So. Yeah, Blair's busted.
Steve:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:As always, you cannot make a deal on Gossip
Shari Weiss:Girl and expect that it will not be exposed at some
Shari Weiss:point.
Steve:And. Yeah. And my initial reaction is, does
Steve:she now run back to Chuck,
Steve:who, had. First time seeing this episode.
Steve:That's. My initial thing is. Oh. Who she's
Steve:gonna run to. Her safety net.
Leif:Lily and Serena hash out their differences.
Leif:Lily lets Serena know that she got accepted to
Leif:Brown. Karine comes in and tells them that
Leif:Gabriel just left.
Steve:Yeah. Serena does not understand real life.
Leif:No.
Shari Weiss:How could she? She's. She's not been exposed to it.
Steve:Yeah. where is Brown?
Shari Weiss:Massachusetts. okay.
Steve:I thought it was. Yeah, I thought it was. No.
Leif:Isn't it Rhode Island?
Shari Weiss:I think you're right. Yeah.
Steve:Yeah, I think.
Shari Weiss:Yes.
Leif:And I only know that. I only know that because the OC
Leif:Right next to risd.
Shari Weiss:Right. I was thinking after Seth and Summer. You are so right,
Shari Weiss:Lee.
Steve:Yep. Risd, of course. Which was also
Steve:mentioned on Gossip Girl, where
Steve:Aaron went to school.
Leif:Yes.
Shari Weiss:Yes.
Steve:Those are a long, long time ago.
Leif:And the creepy Max guy.
Steve:Yeah. Where Aaron went to college sometime in the
Steve:90s.
Leif:Serena chases down Gabriel, who informs them
Leif:that it wasn't a real wedding and they
Leif:are. Aren't actually married. Just as they
Leif:are about to kiss, Blair pulls up in tears and needs
Leif:her best friend.
Shari Weiss:Okay, my two things here. How dumb
Shari Weiss:is Serena that, like, she actually thought that they were,
Shari Weiss:a, really married in a foreign country, and
Shari Weiss:B, what is she seeing in Gabriel
Shari Weiss:that is like, I want to
Shari Weiss:pursue this guy.
Leif:He's like, totally hot.
Shari Weiss:Fair. Fair.
Leif:Ah.
Steve:I was also saying. I also was
Steve:thinking about how dumb Serena is
Steve:here.
Leif:Yeah.
Steve:And Serena's never been
Steve:a brain project. You know, she's
Steve:never been a, ah, genius. But
Steve:she's just so dumb here.
Leif:Well, I heard her and Nate are the same thing.
Leif:They go for the shiny object that's in front of them.
Steve:Yes. Yeah. very much.
Leif:They're golden retrievers.
Shari Weiss:Right?
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:Cruelty, justice. Serena Vanderwoodsen is
Leif:falling in love. Blair Waldorf is falling
Leif:apart. We move into the
Leif:epilogue.
Steve:I. I loved that. Once again,
Steve:Serena about to kiss this dude she's totally
Steve:into drops everything for Blair.
Shari Weiss:Best friends, man.
Steve:Best friends. She. She'll always drop everything for
Steve:Blair. Blair can curse her out and then
Steve:call her 20 minutes later and she drops everything for
Steve:Blair. And I've always loved that about their friendship.
Leif:Yeah. Chuck
Leif:is moping in his room when Nate shows up to share the pity
Leif:party. Chuck actually says something poignant
Leif:and insightful about Blair not needing to change.
Steve:I was glad to see them together again. I was glad
Steve:to see Nate and Chuck being best friends.
Shari Weiss:And it's still awkward. They're not with the same
Shari Weiss:girl. There's no way for it to not be the elephant in the
Shari Weiss:room.
Steve:Yeah, it's stupid for. It's stupid to
Steve:want her to be anything other than who she is. It was
Steve:also, I, did like.
Leif:That line from Chuck.
Steve:Yeah, that. That's. That is true for any
Steve:relationship ever, that if you
Steve:want them to be someone else, then you don't
Steve:want the person you're with.
Shari Weiss:You could say Nate. Like, you know what you're signing up for when you date
Shari Weiss:Blair Waldorf?
Steve:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:Lily finds Dan doing dishes and thanks him for being
Leif:a good friend to Serena. Rufus enters and
Leif:announces he sold a painting to the art collector and
Leif:plans on selling the gallery.
Shari Weiss:I guess they just, like, looked at a picture on his phone and
Shari Weiss:like, like, sure, I'll buy that painting.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:And, ah, Rich people.
Steve:I guess I'll find. I'll find something else to do.
Steve:My suggestion, Release a new album.
Steve:I'd like some fresh Lincoln Hawk.
Shari Weiss:Okay. Like, he
Shari Weiss:could open, like, a waffle restaurant where? Oh, yeah, just make
Shari Weiss:waffles.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:Blair and Serena are lying in Blair's
Leif:bed comforting each other. Blair is regretful
Leif:of a lot of things, including being rude to Cyrus
Leif:earlier. Eleanor comes in and announces that there's someone
Leif:here to see Blair.
Steve:Yeah, just classic.
Leif:Oh, yeah. I really like this scene.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:The friendship. Yeah.
Steve:I didn't really have much to say about it other
Steve:than, Yeah, yeah.
Shari Weiss:It's sweet the way that they're cuddling together.
Steve:Yeah. Yes. Yes.
Leif:At the Vander Woodson penthouse, Chuck comes out to the
Leif:living room to find that Nate has left. Jenny
Leif:comes back in. And Chuck apologized for last year and
Leif:says that if Jenny does move in, he won't
Leif:be here.
Shari Weiss:It was needed.
Steve:Yeah. Once again.
Leif:yeah. Tell her Taylor Momson really sold the scene.
Shari Weiss:Yeah, absolutely.
Steve:Absolutely.
Leif:Despite the horrible haircut.
Steve:Again, the fact that they made it
Steve:canon and they addressed it and they
Steve:brought it full circle. It was about
Steve:time. It should have been done last season.
Steve:I'm glad they did it.
Leif:But, you know, now we know it's going to get out and
Leif:everyone's going to find out because right now, only Dan, Serena are the only
Leif:ones to know. And maybe Blair.
Steve:Yeah. Probably Nate. Maybe
Steve:the parents don't know. Yeah.
Shari Weiss:Well, Lily has this affection for
Shari Weiss:Charles that I feel like if she did find out about it, she
Shari Weiss:would find some way to blame Jenny and excuse
Shari Weiss:Chuck.
Leif:Probably.
Steve:yeah, that fair. I was
Steve:also flashing back to the Jenny did
Steve:get revenge on Chuck at one point at
Steve:the masquerade when
Steve:she tied him up without it or locked him
Steve:out without his clothes.
Leif:Yeah. Blair comes downstairs
Leif:and apologized to Cyrus and asks him to help with
Leif:help to get her into nyu. Nate is
Leif:also there and it looks like he is going to give Blair another
Leif:chance.
Steve:After all, Cyrus is Sweet to
Steve:Blair 100% of the time. Even when
Steve:Cyrus does a scheme against Blair, it's to make her
Steve:happy. I do love that
Steve:he loves Blair the
Steve:way that he does.
Shari Weiss:If you're gonna have a stepdad, you want Cyrus to
Shari Weiss:be your stepdad.
Steve:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Leif:And also, once again, you get a shot of Eleanor,
Leif:smiling in the background, which is nice.
Leif:Serena leaves a flirty message for Gabriel and
Leif:somehow manages to avoid licking the phone.
Leif:However, we see the
Leif:message come through on, Gabriel's phone and he is with
Leif:Poppy. These two Are clearly up to
Leif:something.
Leif:Gotta lick something.
Shari Weiss:Oh God.
Steve:Lucky M. That phone wasn't a strawberry.
Steve:I definitively.
Steve:I hate guest stars on this show.
Steve:M. There has. Has there
Steve:been a good
Steve:teen? I'm
Steve:not. Aside from Cyrus
Steve:and a couple of the other adults that will guest star.
Steve:All of the young ones suck. Michelle Trachtenberg
Steve:was terrible. Armie Hammer is
Steve:terrible. Aaron is terrible.
Steve:Rachel Carr. Every. Every
Steve:one of these storylines, the Rachel Carr
Steve:wasn't a terrible actor, but
Steve:it was just some really up storytelling.
Leif:So we end the episode with a Gossip Girl sign
Leif:off
Leif:on Passover. We ask why is
Leif:it this night is different from any other night? But
Leif:who are we kidding? Tonight's no different from the
Leif:rest. These things always happen around here.
Leif:Shalom, Gossip Girl.
Shari Weiss:It's true. I mean, it's accurate. And then this
Shari Weiss:shalom is just another
Shari Weiss:to my point earlier.
Steve:Yeah, yeah.
Shari Weiss:The way things are. Punchlines, but yeah.
Leif:So, Steve, any predictions?
Steve:I'm predicting Jenny and Chuck.
Steve:I'm. I got
Steve:a weird. The way that. And I
Steve:don't like it. It's the
Steve:way that she looked at Chuck after he
Steve:apologized and went away. And she gave
Steve:him the sad puppy look that
Steve:everyone has been giving Chuck since Bart died. But
Steve:Jenny. Everyone has been giving
Steve:Chuck the. Oh, you poor
Steve:thing. But Jenny. And then
Steve:she gave it to him when he walked away. And
Steve:that kind of made
Steve:something spin in the back of my head. Which
Steve:also leaves the only two people
Steve:uncommitted to another. If Jenny and
Steve:Chuck were to have something happen, the only two open
Steve:that are left that I keep dreading, that I
Steve:keep saying is going to happen is Dan and
Steve:Vanessa. So I'm just.
Steve:I'm watching out for that because I'm waiting for that
Steve:steamroller to roll over us like the Austin
Steve:Powers. That's to me what it is. Like the Austin Power
Steve:steamroller. I'm waiting for it to happen, knowing
Steve:it's going to.
Leif:So now that you saw this final scene, does this
Leif:retroactively make Poppy's actions from last week make a
Leif:little more sense?
Steve:That she's trying to get something. She's
Steve:scheming against Serena.
Steve:Yeah. So
Steve:yeah.
Leif:She wasn't just being an.
Leif:Yeah. She was directly manipulating her.
Steve:Yes.
Leif:It seems like.
Steve:Yes.
Leif:Yeah.
Steve:To what end? I already hate
Steve:it.
Leif:Any thoughts of what. What they're trying to pull?
Shari Weiss:Yeah. What do you think the end goal is?
Steve:I'm assuming some kind
Steve:of illegal,
Steve:maybe drug smuggling thing.
Steve:Something like getting her to go back and forth
Steve:to Spain and unwittingly do something.
Steve:You know, sneaking something in her luggage.
Leif:Okay, well, that is
Leif:it for our episode. So let's go ahead and get into
Leif:some segments. We jump into the wayback
Leif:machine to visit the Television without pity forums from
Leif:2009. Hello there,
Leif:Peabody here. And this is the wayback machine
Leif:for traveling through time. And this is my boy,
Leif:Sherman. Speak, Sherman. Hello.
Leif:Good boy. this week, a,
Leif:vast majority, of the fans seem to be back on the Chuck
Leif:bandwagon after being off for a few weeks.
Shari Weiss:No. No. One apology does not make
Shari Weiss:me back on the Chuck bandwagon.
Steve:No.
Leif:What the. I forgot to ask you at the beginning episode. Who are
Leif:your favorite and least favorite characters?
Shari Weiss:Vanessa is probably least favorite.
Leif:Popular.
Steve:Joy started with Vanessa. I was like,
Steve:wait.
Shari Weiss:favorite?
Shari Weiss:I don't know that I have a favorite individual as much as
Shari Weiss:there's couples that I root for, such as
Shari Weiss:Dan and Serena and another Serena
Shari Weiss:pairing that happens.
Leif:Fair enough. so the.
Steve:My. My one big theory, Sherry, is
Steve:that they're all going to. So
Steve:I. Who
Steve:knows? Maybe. But. So whenever
Steve:there is these different pairings, it's like I.
Steve:I just. In my gut, I feel like they're all going to
Steve:bang each other.
Shari Weiss:That's an essential ingredient of a teen drama television
Shari Weiss:show. The partners dosied out with each other,
Shari Weiss:and it becomes this really incestuous web where everyone
Shari Weiss:is tangled with everyone. And I thought it was
Shari Weiss:interesting before when you said the one pairing we
Shari Weiss:haven't seen is Dan and Vanessa, because there's another pairing
Shari Weiss:that we haven't seen that you didn't mention.
Steve:the ones that I've thought of before, there's
Steve:Nate and Serena, which we thought was
Steve:gonna happen at one point.
Shari Weiss:From the pilot.
Steve:Yeah, yeah. Well, the pilot, but then also the end
Steve:of season one into season
Steve:two. Nate and Serena ran off
Steve:together at the end. the other
Steve:one that a couple weeks ago I brought up that
Steve:they had chemistry was Blair and Dan. That
Steve:when Blair and Dan were in the play together,
Steve:there was something there that I. That I picked up
Steve:on. And then I mentioned it to Leif, and Leif
Steve:was. Was seeing it too.
Shari Weiss:They match wits well.
Leif:Yeah.
Steve:Yeah.
Leif:so most people like the episode overall. They
Leif:thought it was a good episode. So, I agree.
Steve:Yeah, I agree.
Leif:People are actually intrigued about the Serena storyline
Leif:for once.
Steve:You, know, with the last half. Yeah, with the last
Steve:scene. I get it. Up until
Steve:then, the Serena storyline was the
Steve:weak storyline.
Leif:Yeah.
Steve:Serena can't carry a storyline on her own through an
Steve:episode. She needs Dan or
Steve:Blair to carry in a storyline.
Leif:Multiple people Thought. Hoped it would be
Leif:Chuck waiting for Blair at the end of the episode and not Nate.
Shari Weiss:I didn't think it would be him.
Steve:Yeah, no.
Leif:I mean, we saw Nate leave, so it's like, why would you think it was
Leif:Chuck? Yeah, the
Leif:SMB scene was great, which we've talked about. Yeah.
Leif:yep. Surprising amount of Dan
Leif:Hate for how little a role he played in the episode.
Shari Weiss:I don't think he played a little role in the episode.
Leif:I mean, he played a big role as far as the Kai,
Leif:but he didn't really have his own storyline at
Leif:all.
Shari Weiss:But he was also integral into the.
Steve:Way Serena's storyline
Steve:unfolded and Eleanor's storyline. I felt like
Steve:he. I, He, He was a supporting character in
Steve:this. I think that he was one of those supporting
Steve:characters that had a lot on his shoulders, though.
Shari Weiss:Right. He was in scene after scene after scene,
Shari Weiss:and he had his own agency in terms of how he
Shari Weiss:got there. Like, he got there because of his own storyline
Shari Weiss:of needing a job to make money.
Leif:Fair enough.
Steve:Yeah. And personally, I thought Dan was
Steve:a. Was awesome in this episode.
Leif:Funny, but he's. He's always funny.
Steve:Yeah. And. And I also loved
Steve:that, you know, by the end, when the whole. When the
Steve:whole thing is
Steve:exposed, it's Dan who's like, no, I'm
Steve:not doing this.
Leif:I'm not doing this anymore.
Shari Weiss:But he did.
Steve:Why am I doing this?
Shari Weiss:He did take one for the team for a while, for his. For
Shari Weiss:his ex. And. Yeah, it shows you what
Shari Weiss:Serena means to him.
Steve:I find that he does that a lot, that he gets wrapped up
Steve:into it, and then at some point is like, am I doing
Steve:it? Reminds me of Spike in the Buffy musical
Steve:when they're at. When they're all singing at the very end, and
Steve:Spike is like, why am I still doing this? And just walks
Steve:off. Why am
Steve:I doing this?
Leif:The final point that I got from the forums was,
Leif:where's Anne? Like, we get. We're getting all these
Leif:Nate and his family storylines. Where is his mom?
Steve:I didn't really think much of it because I would.
Steve:I'm feeling like maybe she's too embarrassed to come
Steve:around. Or then the other side of
Steve:it. Maybe she is there,
Steve:just not. We just never see her. Yeah. That
Steve:she doesn't have an important. Or maybe. Oh, even
Steve:better. This is the rehearsal. It's not the wedding
Steve:itself. Maybe she wasn't invited.
Leif:But what about the previous episode with the, With the Archibalds
Leif:or the Vanderbilts?
Steve:Trip went and got Nate and brought Nate.
Steve:Right. That wasn't she wasn't again,
Steve:wasn't invited. Maybe granddad
Steve:grandfather is still trying to send her a bit of a
Steve:message.
Leif:Well, if. I mean, if I was ready the episode, I would like
Leif:to write in her reaction to the. Even if she's not there, I
Leif:would add a scene with Nate and her at their house
Leif:and her reaction to this whole situation.
Steve:Sure.
Shari Weiss:But I'm guessing.
Leif:Guessing the actress probably just wasn't available.
Shari Weiss:Or they want to pay another cast member.
Steve:I actually thought it was even more a matter of
Steve:the writer just not thinking of it.
Shari Weiss:Just come on, Amanda Lasher, step it
Shari Weiss:up.
Leif:So let's go ahead and move into some episode
Leif:grades.
Leif:Steve, why don't you go first?
Steve:I gave this one a B. I thought
Steve:it was a good episode. Even the
Steve:stuff that I thought was clunky. And
Steve:I thought that as far as a. An episode of
Steve:Gossip Girl, it was good.
Steve:I
Steve:think, that the really
Steve:shining bad spot is Armie Hammer's acting,
Steve:which again with knowing that he's
Steve:putting on a ruse, maybe that has something to do with
Steve:it, but I didn't know that the whole episode
Steve:and it was terrible.
Leif:So what was the grade?
Steve:B plus.
Leif:B plus. Okay. How about you, Sheri?
Steve:What do you got?
Shari Weiss:I'm a B. and my reasons are,
Shari Weiss:is I,
Shari Weiss:think the Blair Nate grandfather
Shari Weiss:storyline is a little snooze worthy. It
Shari Weiss:feels a little low stakes. And that
Shari Weiss:until we get to the end of the Jenny Chuck
Shari Weiss:storyline, that also feels kind of
Shari Weiss:like a filler type thing. the
Shari Weiss:only, to me twisty,
Shari Weiss:exciting storyline was the Serena Dan
Shari Weiss:Sater one. so if there's
Shari Weiss:three storylines, I think one of them only really captured
Shari Weiss:my attention. And then also,
Shari Weiss:I think the best episodes are the ones where the
Shari Weiss:storylines converge, where
Shari Weiss:everyone ends up at the party and the
Shari Weiss:storylines intersect and everything explodes in a way that
Shari Weiss:has ramifications for each storyline.
Shari Weiss:And in this episode, the three storylines were very
Shari Weiss:disjointed, apart from Blair and Serena coming
Shari Weiss:together toward the end.
Leif:So I like this episode a little better than
Leif:you guys. I gave it an A because I just
Leif:laughed a lot. And M. The
Leif:party was just a great scene, even if it was
Leif:somewhat offensive, but it just made for good
Leif:comedy, so I gave it an A.
Steve:Fair.
Leif:All right, let's go over to Stockwatch.
Leif:What do you got, Steve? Who's going up?
Steve:Going up. I have Rufus going up. He made a
Steve:sale and he's making life decisions.
Steve:I had Jenny going up
Steve:for having a boyfriend and
Steve:for Telling off Chuck. I had Wes going
Steve:up for landing
Steve:Jenny and for being a sweet, sweet boy
Steve:playing Monopoly. I have Nate going up
Steve:because he's back in grandfather's good graces and
Steve:even embarrassed grandfather. And grandfather,
Steve:instead of being embarrassed, goes up
Steve:and makes amends. So Nate,
Steve:for sure. And, let's also throw grandfather
Steve:in. Even though he's a complete piece of shit, he's getting what he
Steve:wants.
Leif:I mean, is he. I mean, Nate's not going to. Yeah.
Steve:Was that definitive? Was that decided?
Leif:What? At the. At the end, Nate says, looks like we'll be
Leif:in the city together.
Steve:Oh, okay.
Leif:All right.
Shari Weiss:He's still grandfather at the end of the day.
Steve:Yeah. His stock, I don't know if it can legally go
Steve:down without it, causing
Steve:anyone else. I had Dorota for having
Steve:the weekend off. Good for her.
Leif:All right, Sherry, who do you have going up?
Shari Weiss:So I have the same person going up and down.
Shari Weiss:So should I share now, or do.
Leif:We, do all the ups first, then the
Leif:downs?
Shari Weiss:Okay, well, chronologically, this is not
Shari Weiss:going to make sense, but we're rolling with it. my
Shari Weiss:upperson is Jenny because
Shari Weiss:of the apology that she gets in
Shari Weiss:the end. The acknowledgement of how she was wronged in
Shari Weiss:this really grave way, was really
Shari Weiss:overdue. And, it was
Shari Weiss:an essential moment for her character,
Shari Weiss:in her coming of age story
Shari Weiss:and in the arc of the show.
Shari Weiss:So the fact that something from the pilot
Shari Weiss:that was extremely egregious was
Shari Weiss:finally. Finally addressed, as we said earlier,
Shari Weiss:made her stock up for me.
Leif:Anyone else?
Shari Weiss:Nope. She was my pick.
Leif:Okay. For me, I have Blair
Leif:going up because she still has
Leif:Nate, and it looks like she's going to get into college after
Leif:all. Nate going up because
Leif:he was. He was his own man for
Leif:once, and he got what he wanted. And looks
Leif:like he's still going to have Blair. Cyrus
Leif:because he was just a soldier all episode, and
Leif:Eleanor because she's a good mom again. She's
Leif:definitely done a big 180 since the
Leif:pilot episode. I also had Lily going
Leif:up.
Steve:She's a whole new person from the
Steve:pilot, literally.
Leif:I also have Lily going up because, she had that
Leif:night scene with Serena at the end, and. And she
Leif:was trying to actually be. Be a parent for once. Yeah, she
Leif:did ground her daughter for, like, probably the first time
Leif:ever. And I had Jenny going up for the same reasons
Leif:you guys had, because she got a. Got her apology.
Leif:She got. She got her licks in. She. She gave
Leif:it to Chuck really good there, that first scene.
Leif:But that's all for ups. So who do you got going down?
Leif:Steve.
Steve:And actually, I'm gonna add Cyrus and Eleanor to my
Steve:ups. I wasn't thinking of them, but I agree that
Steve:they definitely came out
Steve:on top. Especially we. I, I. You
Steve:know what the, the. The thing that was never
Steve:revealed at the end is I'm really
Steve:curious as to whether or not Eleanor made a good
Steve:impression on Cyrus's mother,
Steve:if she's made any headways, and Cyrus's mother hates
Steve:her. going down.
Steve:I have Serena forgetting Blade.
Steve:and I actually had Lily going down
Steve:because for a few of the bad mom, like,
Steve:the not listening thing early on and the whole,
Steve:like, oh, no, you're a good person. You got into the college.
Steve:You want to. Kind of really struck
Steve:me in a weird way.
Steve:But, that was my only downs. I had Blair.
Steve:I had Blair remain neutral because I felt like
Steve:she had the opportunity
Steve:of going up, but then she kind of went down. And then
Steve:kind of, I felt like she landed in the middle.
Leif:Fair enough. Sheri, who do you got going
Leif:down?
Shari Weiss:So, as I said before, I have Jenny as
Shari Weiss:my pick for both. and it's because,
Shari Weiss:I guess you could say maybe they cancel each other out and she
Shari Weiss:ends up being neutral. But up until we
Shari Weiss:get that moment with her and Chuck at the end and they finally
Shari Weiss:have that long needed conversation,
Shari Weiss:her story in the episode just felt like,
Shari Weiss:what is the point of this? Like, we just watched her just
Shari Weiss:basically have this, like, very little
Shari Weiss:innocent date with Wes that felt very
Shari Weiss:pointless, and it felt like they just needed
Shari Weiss:something to help flesh out Chuck's storyline,
Shari Weiss:and she just felt very inconsequential to the
Shari Weiss:episode. So as I was watching it, it just felt
Shari Weiss:like there's nothing for Jenny
Shari Weiss:here. And then the very end is what saved it for
Shari Weiss:me.
Leif:For me going down Serena, because she has.
Leif:She's getting played. And then I also had
Leif:Chuck going down because even though he does
Leif:apologize,
Leif:it doesn't redeem him. It's nice that he apologized,
Leif:but doesn't redeem him. And also, he's
Leif:clearly lonely
Leif:and just living up
Leif:not very fulfilling life right now. Mm.
Steve:But here's the best outfits from the.
Steve:Last episode we see.
Leif:Go over to best outfit. Steve, who do you got?
Steve:Blair's. The one that she was wearing
Steve:at the end, the sort of
Steve:mesh, the black and sort of,
Steve:I guess, like, almost a
Steve:peachish color. And then it had, like, the
Steve:neck, the collar around the neck. So, yeah,
Steve:Blair's, like, party dress.
Leif:I really liked Sherry. What
Leif:about you?
Shari Weiss:Mine is much more subtle. I really liked the tank
Shari Weiss:top that Jenny was wearing. I thought it had just
Shari Weiss:enough edge, but it was also age appropriate.
Shari Weiss:I thought it fit her really well and it was something that
Shari Weiss:I would like to wear myself.
Steve:Nice.
Leif:For me, it was a very brief appearance. But
Leif:Blair's dress from the dream, the black and
Leif:white single strap dress. and the single strap was like a bow.
Leif:And then she had the big hat.
Steve:Yeah.
Shari Weiss:Not her outfit as the beggar.
Leif:No, it's Mrs. Higgins, the upper crust
Leif:outfit. Well, that
Leif:is it for segments. Sheri, thank you for
Leif:joining us.
Shari Weiss:Thank you for having me.
Leif:And is there anything you would like to plug at this time?
Shari Weiss:Well, you guys can find
Shari Weiss:me@teendramah.substack.com
Shari Weiss:or my original website was teendramahor.com
Shari Weiss:but the one that I update is the substack. And
Shari Weiss:there's a weekly newsletter that comes out on Tuesdays called
Shari Weiss:Teen Drama. Links at the top is usually
Shari Weiss:a random thought or some kind of mini essay. And
Shari Weiss:then the links portion is I provide,
Shari Weiss:a roundup of everything that's going on in the teen
Shari Weiss:drama world, over the last week as it relates
Shari Weiss:to these shows and their cast members.
Shari Weiss:so if you're interested in keeping up with the genre and you don't want to have
Shari Weiss:to do all the Googling yourself, I do it for you.
Shari Weiss:So you can get that in your inbox every Tuesday.
Leif:And I would actually definitely suggest reading, this week's
Leif:episode because you did talk about Jewish culture and teen
Leif:dramas.
Shari Weiss:Yes, I did. Yes.
Leif:And Steve, you got anything to plug this week?
Steve:I'm just going to plug my tik tok and
Steve:Instagram at Steve Marshon
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Steve:And that is my socials. Other than that, I
Steve:don't really have anything coming up. And I've,
Steve:been watching the Penguin, which has been fun,
Steve:but, that's pretty much it for me.
Leif:Well, for me, go ahead and going to recommend Sex Lives of
Leif:college girls again before it gets canceled because I
Leif:think this might be the last season.
Steve:Robin loves that Robin was watching it.
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Leif:Next week we'll be back to Talk about Season 2
Leif:Episode 22 Southern
Leif:Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. The
Leif:Netflix episode description reads
Leif:Chuck and Nate are at a crossroads in their friendship,
Leif:a result of their mutual interest in Blair.
Steve:Yep, saw this happening, saw this kind of
Steve:unfolding and I'm curious to see how
Steve:it goes.
Leif:Well, until next time, you know you love
Leif:us.
Steve:Xoxo Every time you walk
Steve:away, run away you take a piece of me
Steve:with you there Every
Steve:time you walk away or run away you take a piece of
Steve:me with you there
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:oh it seems I'm walking right to
Steve:your door
Steve:My heart's still resting looking for
Steve:something more
Steve:Are you ever gonna see everything you mean
Steve:to me I'm trying really hard to believe
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:Never feels right when I'm out here on
Steve:my own
Steve:I left last night and it feels like
Steve:way too long
Steve:Are you ever gonna see everything you mean
Steve:to me I'm trying really hard to believe
Steve:Every time you walk away, run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of m me with you there.
Steve:Come.
Steve:Back to me,
Steve:smile and you'll make my life
Steve:complete
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you you there
Steve:Every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there.