Gossip Girl S2E17 - Carnal Knowledge

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Oh, I just got fired five minutes ago. So instead of taking any

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legal action against the school for or

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trying to get my job back in any other way, or trying to find

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another job, I'm going to bang this student that I

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was hot for since the moment I met

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him the first day

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I was at the school.

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Hey, Upper East Siders and all you scandal loving listeners out

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there. You just tuned into the non judging breakfast

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pod where the coffee is strong, the

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waffles are fresh, and the gossip is hotter than

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ever. My name is Leif and I'm, your seasoned Gossip

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Girl veteran.

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And I'm Steve. I'm the newbie, the greenhorn,

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the, I don't know, Leif, what are we calling the season two newbies

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now?

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If Cornflower Mary can come in and tell us through how to run

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things and everything we stood for all these years is nothing.

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Well, fire me for inappropriate

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relationships. Sounds

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good. So here's

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the deal, folks. Leif has been watching this show since it

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first aired in 2007. And I'm diving in for

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the first time. And together, we're your dynamic

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duo, bringing you all the drama, romance, and

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sometimes questionable fashion choices of this

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iconic 2007 series.

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That's right. Each week we'll be taking a deep dive into the

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show one episode at a time. We'll analyze the

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hidden parallels of obscure references and we're

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also going to take a look at some behind the scenes gossip and stories

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from fandom along the way.

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And since we are all about inclusivity here at the non

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judging breakfast pod, there is always a seat for you at the

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non judging breakfast table. So go ahead and grab a

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mimosa, some coffee, or maybe some of Nate

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and Chuck special medicine. And let's get into this

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episode.

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We are here to talk about season two,

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episode 17 of Gossip Girl

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titled Carnal Knowledge.

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Yes, and, this is. I. I've

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heard of this. I never saw it.

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The original release date of this episode was on February

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2, 2009. And yes,

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the movie was based on Carnal Knowledge 19,

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71 dramedy directed by Mike Nichols

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and starring Jack Nicholson, Candice

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Bergen, Art Garfunkel and Ann

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Margaret.

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If I am correct, this is around

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the time Simon and Garfunkel were falling

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apart and when they were making this. And the

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song only living boy in New York

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came from him basically singing

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to Art Garfunkel saying, yes, it's

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your time to take this and it's your time to do this.

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That's my understanding of that song. And

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how did that work? Out for him.

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This episode was written by Len K.

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Rosenfeld, previously wrote

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Daredevil, School Lies, Chuck

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in real life, and it was also co

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written by Alexandra McNally,

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who previously co wrote New Haven Can Wait with

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Josh Saffron.

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Yeah. And we like New Haven can wait.

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Yeah. Directed by Elizabeth Ann

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Rosenbaum. This is her only Gossip

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Girl episode. She did two teen

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type movies early on in her career, but some

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music videos along the way, but mostly tv.

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But she's definitely a teen drama specialist.

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She's done work on vampire diaries, the

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920 reboot, all American,

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and, of.

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Course, this is before all of that too. Yeah. Because

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this. The directing in this, I

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felt seemed amateur at

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times. Like I. I felt. And I think that it was

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partially that the writing didn't give the director a lot

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to go on, but I thought there were some really weird

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directorial decisions.

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So why don't you go ahead and give us the Vulture recap?

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All right, so the Vulture recap.

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This week's episode of Gossip Girl broke

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all the rules. Blair broke the invisible

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barrier between Gossip Girl herself and the parents

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of St. Jude's and Constance Billard.

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Nelly Yuki broke the bonds of friendship and

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loyalty. Rachel Carr broke nearly

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every tenet of private school teaching. And the show

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as a whole violated the ultimate, homage

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gimmick rule. If you're making obvious and

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overwrought references to something else, don't

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have a character on screen acknowledge

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it. The moment Chuck said the words

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eyes wide shut, even the very

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mild feeling of amusement and curiosity we'd

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had regarding this pot line

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was shattered. From that moment

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on, our own eyes were wide

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shut. Hoping against all hopes

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that we weren't witnessing the moment when the greatest show

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of our time jumped the biggest shark

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on prime time.

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Not a great storyline.

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No, no, this was

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bad.

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And just proof that Chuck can't

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carry a storyline.

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Cannot carry a storyline.

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So we start the episode with the Gossip Girl monologue

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while Upper east siders are hitting the snooze button. Blair

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Waldorf had a rude awakening when the rooster crowed at

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dawn this morning. And we open up with Blair

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talking on the phone to Serena complaining about her

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detention. However, Dorota is the one actually

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doing Blair's community service.

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Yes, we catch Blair working hard watching Dorota do

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all of her community service. Although

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Blair has the awareness when she

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sees Harold to stop

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and grab it from Dorota and

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pretend that she's doing the work.

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So obviously, like, there. There

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is. There's sometimes this thing with Blair

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that I wonder if her morality is

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she actually thinks that she's doing the right thing.

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And so I like when we see that she knows she's

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not.

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Blair decides that Serena isn't a good ally

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in her war against Ms. Carr. Blair sees

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Harold walking up and takes the garbage grabber from Dorota to make it

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look like she had been doing the work. Harold is completely

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oblivious to the type of girl Blair is. And Dorota

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side eyes her in the background.

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Yeah, and that's the other thing, is that

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Harold doesn't know his daughter at all,

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really.

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Ms. Carr is once again meeting Dan outside of

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class. They appear to have bonded over their shared

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outsider experience. Serena comes in and

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things are a little awkward.

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The only one and only

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thing I'm gonna say about

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the Dan Ms. Carr thing

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is he does technically go to a

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different school. Outside of that,

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everything is fucked. What are

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you thinking?

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What?

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How has no, In your training to be a teacher,

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how has no one yet pulled you aside and said, never be alone

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with a student? Like, that was student teaching

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for me. Someone came up to me and was like.

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I was making copies in the office with a

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student, and someone came up to me and was like,

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never do that again.

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Never do that

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again.

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Yeah, not a good idea.

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Never.

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Chuck wakes up having flashes of a decadent

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party. He notices a new tattoo on his wrist.

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Chuck calls Nate and gives him an address at which to

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meet.

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Oh, what the fuck is this? Was. That's.

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What the fuck?

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I mean, have you seen Eyes Wide Shut?

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I have not, but I

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culturally pop. Culturally know

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enough about it to know

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it's basically.

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This is basically the same story. He wakes up and he

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remembers having some crazy night with some young girl.

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Yeah. And has to retrace his steps. And he actually

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has sex with Nicole Kidman. In the

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actual movie, Blair arrives at.

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School and hands over her community service hours to a

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condescending Ms. Carr.

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Yeah.

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Oh, Henry David Thoreau.

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Ms.

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Carr.

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Blair tries to rally her troops for war, but the

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Minions want no part of a fight with Ms. Carr.

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Lucky for Blair Queller and Carr forcing all the students

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to check their phones to the door, giving Blair the kindling

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she needs to light a fire under the Minions.

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Yeah. And you know, you see Blair

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losing the Minions here, and she

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gives this what's supposed to be arousing

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speech, and it's so. It's just

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poorly written. Again, it's just like these

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weird cliches of, And

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Blair should be better than that, at least a little

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bit. I don't know. I was really disappointed.

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I guess I thought that was. I think that's just

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Blair.

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Yeah. Yeah. I just thought

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it was a little.

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Ever. She's clever. She's not the smartest person in the room.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Every great leader knows you don't send your girls into the field

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unarmed. If we know Blair Waldorf

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Munitions are on their way.

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We move into Act 2.

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Back from the commercial, Blair and the mean girls are going through

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Gossip Girl withdrawal. However, Dorota manages

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to sneak a contraband phone into the

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school.

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Is this candle even a scandal if I can't text about

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it?

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Yeah, I got. She's just, like, sitting there, like, mining. Texting.

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Yeah. I. I loved the minions

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in this, especially.

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Especially Hazel, Vanessa and Nate

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meet Chuck outside a mysterious location. From the business

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card. Chuck leads them inside and describes

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meeting his perfect woman at this exclusive

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gentleman's club.

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Great.

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Back at school, Blair is berating the minions for

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failing to dig up dirt on this car.

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Yeah, I have to say that earlier in the episode,

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before we got to this scene, I turned to Robin and

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said, kind of like Hazel's hair. And

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then she. On Hazel's hair. I was like,

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oh, well, that. There's

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my world. That's my fashion advice.

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However, the amma Blair niece practically

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falls into her lap when she sees Dan in this car

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flirting in the hallway. Blair quickly sends a

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tip to Gossip Girl. Blair then quotes Gossip Girl as

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we go to another commercial break.

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Yeah, we get, like, awkward Dan,

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which we. We know Awkward Dan, and we know Dan

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gets like that. But, like, you're talking about her

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shirt. What the fuck? It was just

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too awkward.

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Free Dan.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But so normally, we would have got in

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a Gossip Girl monologue here. Instead,

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we get Blair quoting Gossip Girl. This goes

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for a commercial breakdown.

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Yeah. Yeah, because she.

Leif: 00:10:49

Oh.

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Because she texts Gossip Girl, and it.

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Says, xoxo, Gossip, Girl.

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You're right. You're right. She does. Yeah. That's interesting.

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I'm gonna throw out there. As we return

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from commercial break, Dan is getting high five. Then

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congratulated by the guys we have never seen before.

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Jenny comes up and fills Danny on the gossip about

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Dan and Ms. Carr.

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I love how clueless he is. I also love that

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he trashes Jenny's makeup, and he's like, you don't look like

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a raccoon anymore.

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Damn, that's kind of a brother

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sister.

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Yeah. Yeah. I. And I love Jenny's involvement in this.

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Having it all written out on her hand because she couldn't get the

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text.

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Serena comes up to Dan to confront him about the

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post. She believes him that nothing happened, but

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she, Side eye when he calls Ms. Car.

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Rachel while defending her.

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Yeah, because you shouldn't be calling her

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Rachel. I know. She told you to.

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Well, Serena's also calling her Rachel.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Back at the mysterious house, Chuck finds a picture of

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the mysterious woman holding a baby. The plot

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thickens.

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This was one of the parts that I thought was just really

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poorly written and directed. When he comes down

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the stairs and then is like, oh, and there was a

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curtain here. Like, you would have seen that first. When you.

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Like, the things that you saw first, you're

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now describing after you've toured the whole house.

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It just seemed like we

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have this house that we have to shoot in for one day. So let's

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get all this done.

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All locations shooting is expensive.

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Yeah, I'm. I'm sure.

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Dan enters the girl's bathroom to confront Blair about

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the rumors. Blair denies sending the rumor, but then further

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pushes the narrative that Dan is sleeping with Ms. Carr.

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Yeah. Why would you go into the bathroom,

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Dan? That again, like,

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weird writing and directing choices. Like, why would

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you send Dan into the bathroom to confront

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her?

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Like, just so they could get that.

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Weird, awkward one at the end.

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so get that line there. The ladies room. I know you and

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Serena were having problems. I had no clue they were

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anatomical.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, that. Well,

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and having Dan walk, you know, bumping into the

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other girls leaving the bathroom.

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But it's like, it was still stupid.

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I thought Serena and Ms. Carr meet

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outside of school. Ms. Carr is still supportive about

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Serena's writing. Serena lets her know about the rumor.

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And Gossip Girl. As Serena walks into the school,

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Dan shows up and asks to talk to Ms. Carr.

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Hey, there's a big rumor about us, so let's get together

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in front of everybody and start talking. You should

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not be seen with this person

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at all.

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Like, both of you should immediately be like,

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I cannot be in the same place at the same time as

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you at all until this shit is cleared

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up.

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I don't really believe Dan.

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I don't blame Dan nearly as

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much. I think Dan is smart enough to

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know, Wow, I should avoid her

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after this.

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I feel like everyone's congratulating.

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Yeah, true. But Dan also

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doesn't really like that kind of

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attention a lot of the time anyway.

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So I'm. I'm just saying that, like, in both cases,

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I think that I. I understand Dan more,

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but I also think that the two of them, the

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Dan that we've known so far, I feel Realistically would be

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like, oh shit, I better stay away. But instead dives

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right into it.

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It does make sense that he would want to go to apologize right away.

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Apologize, yes. But yeah.

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Nonetheless, you're idiots for being seen

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at all together.

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Chuck is speaking with the realtor for the mysterious house and

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uses his family name to pressure her into doing something

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unethical. Chuck calls the owner, is told that

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Annie couldn't have been in New York last night. But Chuck leaves

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her a message.

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This was the one Chuck thing that I

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liked because it was Chuck

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throwing around the Bass name using his

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power, which he has now. And he

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wasn't trying to flirt or

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do anything sexual with this

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realtor in that conversation.

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So it was nice to see that Chuck, you

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know, taking charge a little bit without it

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trying to be banging this real estate

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person.

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It's pretty low bar.

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It is. It is. It's a very low bar.

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The bar for Chuck.

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Not I. Yeah, I didn't like. I mean,

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he's still doing shitty, so I can't.

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Yeah. Yes. He was still doing shady in

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Queller's office.

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The head mistress and miss Carr questioned Blair about Gossip

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Girl and the latest rumor. Nelly flip sides

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turning state's witness and Blair was

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expelled.

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Yes. Nelly taking

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a shot.

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Well, M deserved. I don't blame

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Nelly for this. Nelly has been eyeing

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Yale all along. Blair has been

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slipping for a while.

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We find out later that Dan set this whole up

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too.

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Well, they. They said right there, Blair says

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Dan Humphrey and then it was confirmed by

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someone else.

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Yeah, no, but Dan is the one who told Ms. Carr to

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pressure Nelly.

Steve: 00:16:04

Oh, I didn't catch that.

Leif: 00:16:06

It's revealed later. Okay.

Steve: 00:16:07

Okay. Yeah, I didn't catch that.

Leif: 00:16:09

Yeah, like when. When Ms. Carr is

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thanking Dan, she's like, thanks for pointing me

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to the weak link.

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I. I did not catch that at all.

Leif: 00:16:20

Okay, Dan's a little Machiavellian here.

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Yeah. Back from

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commercial. Harold is waking up Blair.

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Blair amidst M to posting the rumor, but that anything she

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posted was the truth. How gets very self righteous and

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is going to fight the school.

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In previous episodes, they wrote

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CC in for Lily and I felt

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like it didn't work. I feel

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like they're writing Harold in for

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Eleanor, but I feel like they're.

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They've done it in a better

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way these past two episodes. We have no Eleanor,

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but we have Harold who, you know,

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isn't usually around. And I kind of felt like

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it was, we need the parent

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there. But I thought that having Harold was the right

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decision, that the interactions that he

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has that. He sees this other side

Steve: 00:17:12

of his daughter throughout this.

Leif: 00:17:14

Well, yeah, because I don't think the story would have made sense for

Leif: 00:17:17

Eleanor because she would have known right away that Blair was

Leif: 00:17:20

lying.

Steve: 00:17:20

Yeah, exactly. And yeah,

Steve: 00:17:23

I, and I feel that's sort of what I'm

Steve: 00:17:26

saying is that if this was another pivot,

Steve: 00:17:29

they did a good, they did a really good job

Steve: 00:17:32

of the pivot, unlike the CC pivot.

Leif: 00:17:35

Yeah, I just, I don't think it was a pivot at all. I think it was, it was always.

Steve: 00:17:38

Just written to be Howard Harold.

Leif: 00:17:39

Yeah, because, yeah, because you know, he's the

Leif: 00:17:42

Yale guy anyway, so it makes sense.

Steve: 00:17:44

yeah. Okay, that does make sense.

Leif: 00:17:46

Dan is telling Vanessa about telling this car to go after

Leif: 00:17:49

Nellie for the dirt. Rufus walks in and informs

Leif: 00:17:52

Dan that the parents council will be discussing the

Leif: 00:17:54

incident. Yeah, this is where he was telling

Leif: 00:17:57

Vanessa that he told Ms. Carr to go after

Leif: 00:18:00

Nelly.

Steve: 00:18:00

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I missed that

Steve: 00:18:03

somehow.

Leif: 00:18:04

Ms. Carr is having yet another inappropriate out of school

Leif: 00:18:07

meeting with a student. This time it's Serena. Serena

Leif: 00:18:10

begs for leniency for Blair, but Ms. Carr stands

Leif: 00:18:13

firm. So inappropriate.

Steve: 00:18:15

I, at this point I was like, you should kind of

Steve: 00:18:18

get fired. She shouldn't have

Steve: 00:18:20

this job.

Leif: 00:18:22

Serena calls Blair and apologizes for not

Leif: 00:18:25

being able to make Ms. Carr Budge. Blair

Leif: 00:18:28

tells Dorota to give away the bulldog from last week.

Leif: 00:18:31

Give it to Almost match. Give this to.

Steve: 00:18:36

And I, this is one of those points when

Steve: 00:18:39

I think the morality of Blair. Waldorf thinks that this is

Steve: 00:18:42

doing the right generous thing despite it

Steve: 00:18:45

being like giving someone a dog that they can't

Steve: 00:18:48

take care of, that they can't

Steve: 00:18:51

afford that they now have to split all of their

Steve: 00:18:53

resources in half. The resources that they

Steve: 00:18:56

don't have already. Now they have to split all of them in half to keep a

Steve: 00:18:59

dog alive.

Leif: 00:19:00

Lily and Rufus arrive at the parameeting and Rufus meets

Leif: 00:19:03

Harold. Rufus and Harold quickly realize they are on

Leif: 00:19:06

opposite sides of the issue.

Steve: 00:19:07

It's interesting that this is the first time that they've

Steve: 00:19:10

met, especially because of how

Steve: 00:19:13

Rufus already feels about Blair.

Steve: 00:19:16

Rufus has had a problem with Blair

Steve: 00:19:19

because she's been coming after Jenny. She was coming after Jenny for

Steve: 00:19:22

all that time and so he already doesn't

Steve: 00:19:25

like your daughter and now you're coming here saying

Steve: 00:19:28

shit about my kid too. Like fuck

Steve: 00:19:30

you, dude.

Leif: 00:19:31

And how, how does Harold, a lawyer, not know the difference between

Leif: 00:19:34

libel and slander?

Leif: 00:19:38

That was probably all episode.

Steve: 00:19:40

Yeah. And, and I'm, yeah,

Steve: 00:19:43

I would once again throw that back

Steve: 00:19:46

to Len K. Rosenfeld.

Leif: 00:19:50

Chuck has a quick phone conversation with me.

Leif: 00:19:52

However, before the scene cuts, the mysterious L

Leif: 00:19:55

walks into the room, leaving Chuck in stunned

Leif: 00:19:58

silence.

Steve: 00:20:00

That, ah, was out of nowhere. Like, where the. Did she even come

Steve: 00:20:02

from? I know Chuck left the message to

Steve: 00:20:05

the. To the other person, but also, why are

Steve: 00:20:08

you just hanging out at this house all day

Steve: 00:20:11

waiting for something to happen? And why is

Steve: 00:20:14

no one being shown this house but

Steve: 00:20:17

Chuck?

Leif: 00:20:19

Yeah, it's all weird. Why isn't he at school?

Steve: 00:20:22

Yeah. And why isn't he at school

Steve: 00:20:25

where.

Leif: 00:20:26

Running the door. Right? At the company.

Steve: 00:20:27

Yeah. Why isn't. Yeah, why isn't nate at school?

Leif: 00:20:31

Ms. Carr is having yet another inappropriate

Leif: 00:20:34

date with Dan. Ms. Carr gets all

Leif: 00:20:36

teary eyed and basically admits that she would Dan if

Leif: 00:20:39

circumstances only slightly different. As dan

Leif: 00:20:42

is comforting Ms. Carr, Serena walks by the

Leif: 00:20:45

restaurant and snaps a cannon pick of the, let's say

Leif: 00:20:48

couple.

Steve: 00:20:49

So at this point, she gives like

Steve: 00:20:52

three reasons.

Leif: 00:20:53

Like, three. Like circumstances where she would, you know.

Steve: 00:20:55

Where she would hook up with him. Like if he didn't go to another

Steve: 00:20:58

school. If you. And it ends with call me in five

Steve: 00:21:01

years and you're talking to this

Steve: 00:21:04

student's boyfriend, you're openly

Steve: 00:21:06

flirting with a student and saying like, oh,

Steve: 00:21:09

well, maybe in a few years. That's

Steve: 00:21:12

horrifying. That's disgusting. And no,

Steve: 00:21:15

you're not. You are just a few years

Steve: 00:21:18

apart. And in five years, no,

Steve: 00:21:21

it really wouldn't be a super inappropriate

Steve: 00:21:23

relationship other than the fact that you were thinking about this

Steve: 00:21:26

kid when he was a teenager, so now it's already

Steve: 00:21:29

tainted. If he waited five years, you

Steve: 00:21:32

know, like, everything about this is just

Steve: 00:21:35

wrong. And at this point. Yeah,

Steve: 00:21:38

fire her.

Steve: 00:21:39

Absolutely fire her.

Steve: 00:21:42

She's out there having coffee with

Steve: 00:21:45

students. Like, fire

Steve: 00:21:47

her. She doesn't brush his hand away when she. When

Steve: 00:21:50

he's cupping her hair behind her

Steve: 00:21:53

ear. Fire her.

Leif: 00:21:56

Yeah. Yeah. Spotted.

Leif: 00:21:59

Lonely boy going from teacher's pet to Persona nia

Leif: 00:22:02

grata in the pitter patter of the heartbeats.

Steve: 00:22:05

Missed opportunity. Going from teacher's pet to petting

Steve: 00:22:08

the teacher.

Leif: 00:22:09

We move into Act 3. Chuck is

Leif: 00:22:12

talking in the dark with a, mysterious. With a mysterious

Leif: 00:22:15

L. The imitation wasn't for Chuck. It was for

Leif: 00:22:18

his father. I guess the club didn't get the times

Leif: 00:22:21

today of Bart's front page obituary.

Leif: 00:22:24

El admits to drugging Chuck, hoping he would forget

Leif: 00:22:27

all about the party.

Steve: 00:22:29

When Chuck was like, save me from what I'm

Steve: 00:22:32

like, save.

Steve: 00:22:34

Come on. the other thing.

Steve: 00:22:38

There's a little bit of a question

Steve: 00:22:41

mark here. They're talking about his dad's death and this

Steve: 00:22:43

secret society and all of this stuff that.

Steve: 00:22:46

That makes me wonder if

Steve: 00:22:49

Bart's death is somehow related

Steve: 00:22:52

to this secret society.

Steve: 00:22:55

But I also don't know that the Gossip Girl

Steve: 00:22:58

writers ever think that far ahead on.

Leif: 00:23:03

Vanessa shows up at Nate wearing the mask he sent

Leif: 00:23:06

earlier.

Steve: 00:23:07

Good for them when the eyes first. When she first opened it, I

Steve: 00:23:10

thought it was a bra when she opened that thing. But

Steve: 00:23:13

also good for Nate and Vanessa. I'm glad that

Steve: 00:23:15

they are, as of right now, smooth

Steve: 00:23:18

sailing. I. Super boring.

Steve: 00:23:21

Yep. I don't care though. I'm happy for

Steve: 00:23:23

them. You don't have to show them a lot. You can bore me

Steve: 00:23:26

with them. I'd rather you bore me with them

Steve: 00:23:29

than bore me with Dan and Serena getting back together and breaking

Steve: 00:23:32

up. Because I know, because I'm just sitting there

Steve: 00:23:35

like they're going to fucking do it again.

Leif: 00:23:40

At Blair's, Serena reluctantly hands over the photo

Leif: 00:23:43

photo she just snapped of Dan in his car.

Leif: 00:23:46

Serena manages to send Danny text that he needs to

Leif: 00:23:49

show up at the meeting before Blair drags

Leif: 00:23:51

Serena to said meeting.

Steve: 00:23:53

Yep.

Leif: 00:23:54

It was just so take a stand, Serena.

Steve: 00:23:57

Yeah. You know that Blair is going to use this for

Steve: 00:24:00

something bad. You know, you should talk to Dan about this

Steve: 00:24:02

first. So you. You're fucking

Steve: 00:24:05

everything up, Serena, and you know it.

Leif: 00:24:08

This goes back to the whole Serena

Leif: 00:24:11

just doing things because she knows and then, using plausible

Leif: 00:24:14

deniability to get away with it.

Steve: 00:24:15

Yeah, exactly. And

Steve: 00:24:19

it's also she's mad at

Steve: 00:24:22

both of them right now. She's mad at what she

Steve: 00:24:24

saw. And here's the thing. Serena

Steve: 00:24:27

has every right to be mad about what she saw because what she saw

Steve: 00:24:30

was super inappropriate. That if that

Steve: 00:24:33

was. First of all, if that was any other

Steve: 00:24:36

girl, Serena has every right to be mad. If

Steve: 00:24:39

you're having that intimate of a conversation,

Steve: 00:24:42

your girlfriend can be mad.

Leif: 00:24:44

I think Dan was definitely hitting on her.

Steve: 00:24:45

yeah, like it was all out of line.

Steve: 00:24:48

And so Serena handing the photo over.

Steve: 00:24:51

Yes, she fucked over Dan and she fucked over Ms.

Steve: 00:24:53

Carr. But she isn't wrong

Steve: 00:24:57

either because the fallout

Steve: 00:25:00

is what it should have been anyway.

Leif: 00:25:02

Harold the lawyer and Rufus, an idiot, continue to

Leif: 00:25:05

mislabel this as slander in the meeting. Then

Leif: 00:25:08

Blair bursts in and shows everyone the photo of Dan in his

Leif: 00:25:11

car and.

Steve: 00:25:12

And busted here. Yeah,

Steve: 00:25:14

it's.

Leif: 00:25:16

Dan shows up outside the meeting and tells Serena the

Leif: 00:25:19

truth. However, even Dan recognized the

Leif: 00:25:22

photo is pretty damning.

Steve: 00:25:23

Once again we have Rufus not listening to his kids

Steve: 00:25:26

and at the same time you have Howard

Steve: 00:25:29

finally listening to his.

Leif: 00:25:31

Harold.

Steve: 00:25:32

Harold. Yeah. Damn it. I keep calling him Howard. But

Steve: 00:25:35

Harold finally listens to Blair

Steve: 00:25:38

and hears that she's not the

Steve: 00:25:40

little daddy's little girl angel that he thinks she

Steve: 00:25:43

is.

Leif: 00:25:43

The meeting breaks up. Ms. Carr has been fired.

Leif: 00:25:46

However, Harold overhears Blair telling Dan and

Leif: 00:25:49

Serena that the rumor was a lie and he becomes

Leif: 00:25:52

incredibly disappointed.

Steve: 00:25:54

Yes, this is where I was a little bit ahead,

Steve: 00:25:57

but this is where Rufus

Steve: 00:26:00

storms away from Dan. When Dan's like, it's

Steve: 00:26:02

not true and we'll talk later.

Leif: 00:26:05

Serena and Dan have an honest conversation.

Leif: 00:26:08

Even though Serena believes Dan, they break up yet

Leif: 00:26:11

again.

Steve: 00:26:12

Of fucking course.

Leif: 00:26:14

Can we keep them apart now? They're clearly not to

Leif: 00:26:16

be together.

Steve: 00:26:17

No, they're not.

Steve: 00:26:18

They're.

Steve: 00:26:18

Because that's the thing there. I. I

Steve: 00:26:21

just have this. I know it in my gut that this isn't

Steve: 00:26:24

done. And maybe for this season, that'd be

Steve: 00:26:27

great, but they're going to. One of them is going to

Steve: 00:26:30

start. Well, Dan's going to start car.

Steve: 00:26:33

So Serena's going to get jealous. Well, she's not going

Steve: 00:26:36

to know anyway.

Leif: 00:26:37

Who's the next guest star?

Steve: 00:26:39

who's the next guest star?

Leif: 00:26:43

Sometimes the only thing left to do is

Leif: 00:26:46

wrap your arms around each other one last time

Leif: 00:26:49

and then just let go. I agree.

Leif: 00:26:52

Gossip Girl.

Steve: 00:26:53

Yep.

Leif: 00:26:54

Just let go.

Steve: 00:26:55

just let go.

Leif: 00:26:56

We move into the epilogue.

Leif: 00:26:59

The next morning, Dan and Rufus are having a

Leif: 00:27:02

conversation. Rufus is actually making some sense for

Leif: 00:27:05

once. Even though he believes that there was no actual

Leif: 00:27:08

affair. What Ms. Carr was doing was completely

Leif: 00:27:11

inappropriate. Dan gets a bit self righteous and

Leif: 00:27:14

takes all the blame on himself, completely

Leif: 00:27:16

exonerating Ms. Carr.

Steve: 00:27:18

I really appreciated Rufus's

Steve: 00:27:21

stance here.

Leif: 00:27:22

Yeah.

Steve: 00:27:22

I really appreciated him finally

Steve: 00:27:26

being on the logical side of things.

Steve: 00:27:29

Yeah. You didn't sleep with her. She still

Steve: 00:27:32

shouldn't be working there.

Leif: 00:27:33

Yeah. Serena goes to Ms. Carr's apartment to

Leif: 00:27:36

apologize. Ms. Carr gives her back her

Leif: 00:27:39

essay along with praise for her writing that tells her

Leif: 00:27:42

it's better if Serena just goes away.

Steve: 00:27:44

Yeah. Serena, you

Steve: 00:27:47

up here? You. You up.

Steve: 00:27:51

You were mad and you

Steve: 00:27:54

cost someone their career, so they're going to be a little

Steve: 00:27:57

upset with you.

Leif: 00:27:58

she cost her softer career.

Steve: 00:28:00

No, you're right. I'm not

Steve: 00:28:02

defending Ms. Carr in any way, shape or form. I'm

Steve: 00:28:05

just also saying Serena to go to her and be like. But we can still

Steve: 00:28:08

be friends, right? Is a little.

Leif: 00:28:10

Yeah.

Steve: 00:28:11

Is a little ridiculous.

Leif: 00:28:12

And why did she want us to.

Steve: 00:28:13

Be friends with her? And why do you want to be friends with her?

Leif: 00:28:15

She just Stole your boyfriend?

Steve: 00:28:17

Yeah.

Leif: 00:28:18

Harold and Ramon have a goodbye conversation. In

Leif: 00:28:21

Blair's room. Harold drops some hard

Leif: 00:28:23

truths. Handsome Dan has to go back to France with

Leif: 00:28:26

Harold. So Blair lifts the bulldog by the balls and

Leif: 00:28:29

sets him on the floor.

Steve: 00:28:31

That dog by the balls. I didn't notice it the

Steve: 00:28:34

first time, but wow.

Leif: 00:28:37

What that direction was that just a choice by

Leif: 00:28:39

Lane. She.

Steve: 00:28:41

I hold dog.

Leif: 00:28:42

She just scooped right up behind him.

Steve: 00:28:47

Harold had to do some hard parenting too.

Steve: 00:28:49

It's not easy to be disappointed in your

Steve: 00:28:52

kid. And that's rough. The

Steve: 00:28:55

not going to the airport with her. That hit me

Steve: 00:28:58

because that, It's hard.

Leif: 00:29:00

Chuck is rummaging through his father's safe.

Leif: 00:29:03

He finds a box full of invitations similar to the one

Leif: 00:29:06

he had received with just an address and time written on

Leif: 00:29:09

a card with the mysterious symbol on it.

Leif: 00:29:11

Chuck gets a call from L's boss who sells

Leif: 00:29:14

who says, l never got off the train back

Leif: 00:29:17

from New York.

Leif: 00:29:22

Guess we're continuing this story next week.

Steve: 00:29:24

Yeah. This is him on the safe. In the safe. You

Steve: 00:29:27

right. When he goes through the safe.

Leif: 00:29:29

Yeah.

Steve: 00:29:29

How many times has he been through that safe? He's been through that

Steve: 00:29:32

safe since. Since Bart was alive. He's been

Steve: 00:29:35

in and out of that safe a million times. And you never found

Steve: 00:29:38

this thing of invitations?

Leif: 00:29:40

He probably. It just said

Leif: 00:29:43

invitations before. He had no idea his dream

Leif: 00:29:45

girls there.

Steve: 00:29:46

Sure, sure.

Leif: 00:29:49

Dan goes to visit Ms. Carr and apologizes for getting

Leif: 00:29:52

her fired. However, Ms.

Leif: 00:29:54

Carr, leans in and goes for the

Leif: 00:29:56

kiss. She pulls Dan inside her

Leif: 00:29:59

apartment.

Steve: 00:30:02

Yeah. So fucking dumb. Oh, I just got

Steve: 00:30:05

fired five minutes ago. So instead of taking any legal

Steve: 00:30:08

action against the school for, or trying to

Steve: 00:30:11

get my job back in any other way, or trying to find another

Steve: 00:30:14

job, I'm gonna bang this student that I was hot

Steve: 00:30:17

for since the moment I met him

Steve: 00:30:20

the first day I

Steve: 00:30:22

was at the school.

Leif: 00:30:25

And this is how Dan Humphrey's porn career started.

Leif: 00:30:28

Weller is meeting with Rufus and Lily to tell them that Ms.

Leif: 00:30:31

Carr will be reinstated due to

Leif: 00:30:34

insufficient evidence. And those teachers

Leif: 00:30:36

unions.

Steve: 00:30:37

Yeah, I. And I'd be

Steve: 00:30:40

surprised if they're unionized at a private school.

Steve: 00:30:43

At that kind of private school, I don't think CAR would have

Steve: 00:30:46

a whole lot of leg to stand on at a school like that. They

Steve: 00:30:49

really are usually you're gone.

Steve: 00:30:52

The flip side to it, if they're not going to fire

Steve: 00:30:55

her, she should at least be written up.

Steve: 00:30:58

Like there should be a record of.

Steve: 00:31:01

She, had inappropriate off

Steve: 00:31:03

campus meetings. Off campus meetings with students.

Steve: 00:31:06

And she should be told you are not to

Steve: 00:31:09

Meet off campus with students. And you are

Steve: 00:31:12

not to meet one on one with students.

Leif: 00:31:15

Now we see Serena is leaving a message for Dan. She

Leif: 00:31:18

apologizes to Dan and asked if they can just

Leif: 00:31:21

forget the whole Rachel thing.

Steve: 00:31:22

No, see, Serena, you broke up. You broke up again

Steve: 00:31:25

five minutes ago. You broke the fuck up.

Leif: 00:31:28

They're so fucking horny, these two. Yeah.

Leif: 00:31:31

They just gotta fuck.

Steve: 00:31:32

Yeah. And Dan's gonna get that message later, be like, oh, shit. But I

Steve: 00:31:35

bang Car, and now I want to bang Serena some more.

Steve: 00:31:38

Oh, no. Who do I bang?

Leif: 00:31:40

That might be hard to do, because as we switch back to

Leif: 00:31:43

Dan and his Cara. It's one thing to forget about a

Leif: 00:31:46

crush, but it's another when carnal knowledge is in the

Leif: 00:31:48

picture. If she had just waited another five

Leif: 00:31:51

minutes, she might have gotten the call from Queller that she had

Leif: 00:31:54

her job back.

Steve: 00:31:55

Yeah. I was unclear as

Steve: 00:31:58

to whose phone that was that we saw at

Steve: 00:32:01

the end if it was Dan's or hers, because it's the missed message

Steve: 00:32:04

from Serena. But then there's also a missed message from

Steve: 00:32:06

Queller. They should have had both the phones with missed

Steve: 00:32:09

messages.

Leif: 00:32:10

I assume that was cars, because they were. It showed it as

Leif: 00:32:13

we heard the message from Kohler.

Steve: 00:32:14

That's. That's kind of what I was thinking, too.

Leif: 00:32:17

And we end the episode with the Gossip Girl

Leif: 00:32:19

monologue. They say every

Leif: 00:32:22

action has an equal and opposite reaction, and

Leif: 00:32:25

once something is set in motion, it can't help but

Leif: 00:32:27

gain momentum. One thing's for certain, on the

Leif: 00:32:30

Upper east side, what goes around comes M.

Leif: 00:32:33

Around. Xo, xo,

Leif: 00:32:36

Gossip Girl. Where are we heading

Leif: 00:32:39

next?

Steve: 00:32:40

we're gonna hear more about this fucking Chuck thing, I'm

Steve: 00:32:43

sure. At least another episode or two

Steve: 00:32:46

of Chuck figuring out this

Steve: 00:32:48

stupid fucking mystery secret

Steve: 00:32:51

society.

Leif: 00:32:52

Secret society. Secret society. I think this

Leif: 00:32:55

is number three.

Steve: 00:32:57

Yeah. We don't have a name for this one

Steve: 00:33:00

yet. No, we've had the Skull and Bones.

Steve: 00:33:03

We've had the Colonial Colony Club.

Steve: 00:33:06

Colony Club, right. Yeah, I. And I

Steve: 00:33:08

think that we're gonna get a little bit of a mess of

Steve: 00:33:11

Serena and Dan, and they're gonna kind of maybe

Steve: 00:33:14

almost get together again, and then Serena's gonna find out she

Steve: 00:33:17

banked that he banged Car. That's kind of

Steve: 00:33:20

my thoughts there. Car

Steve: 00:33:23

is gonna,

Leif: 00:33:23

Are Dan and Ms. Carr gonna be, like, just hooking up at school

Leif: 00:33:26

now?

Steve: 00:33:27

Yeah, totally. There. It's gonna be a whole secret

Steve: 00:33:30

relationship. Absolutely.

Leif: 00:33:32

Oh, boy.

Steve: 00:33:33

Yeah.

Leif: 00:33:33

Oh, boy.

Steve: 00:33:34

Yeah. it is a plot line that bothers me. It

Steve: 00:33:36

bothered me in Pretty Little Liars, and that's

Steve: 00:33:39

Seasons.

Steve: 00:33:41

It.

Steve: 00:33:41

It really bothers me, the teacher student thing,

Steve: 00:33:44

because they don't do enough to really

Steve: 00:33:47

make it inappropriate. They make it look

Steve: 00:33:50

hot. And it is m.

Steve: 00:33:53

And I understand why.

Steve: 00:33:56

It's just so bad

Steve: 00:33:59

on so many levels. It's

Steve: 00:34:01

predatory. And.

Leif: 00:34:03

Yeah.

Steve: 00:34:03

I tend to just hate these plot lines.

Steve: 00:34:06

And here's the other thing is that it does

Steve: 00:34:09

happen, and it happens a

Steve: 00:34:12

little too often. In fact, I

Steve: 00:34:15

guarantee that it would

Steve: 00:34:18

happen more if it weren't

Steve: 00:34:20

for students saying no.

Steve: 00:34:23

I've worked with people that would say

Steve: 00:34:26

something and I'd have to call them on it. That.

Steve: 00:34:29

That's your student you're talking about. Like, that's creepy.

Steve: 00:34:32

And it's something that does happen.

Steve: 00:34:35

And I. When I see it on tv, I

Steve: 00:34:38

want it to be villainized. Villainized.

Steve: 00:34:41

Thank you. Yeah. I want it. I don't want it to be hot. I

Steve: 00:34:44

want it to be wrong. Yeah.

Leif: 00:34:46

Which, you know, they definitely tread the line with

Leif: 00:34:49

this one.

Steve: 00:34:50

Yeah. Yeah.

Leif: 00:34:51

Different school. Yeah. He's

Leif: 00:34:54

technically, you know, legal consent age.

Steve: 00:34:57

yeah. Because. Well, so Dan is

Steve: 00:35:00

17, and that would put him in the

Steve: 00:35:02

legal consent. Except for the fact that she is in

Steve: 00:35:05

a position of power.

Leif: 00:35:06

Yeah.

Steve: 00:35:07

So she does have a job at the

Steve: 00:35:10

same organization, despite it being a

Steve: 00:35:13

different school. I'm fairly certain

Steve: 00:35:16

that a teacher

Steve: 00:35:18

that. Except for certain

Steve: 00:35:21

positions of power, it isn't your teacher. It's

Steve: 00:35:24

any teacher. So there is that side of

Steve: 00:35:27

it.

Leif: 00:35:28

Go ahead and get into some segments.

Leif: 00:35:31

This week in fan. And we jumped into the wayback machine to

Leif: 00:35:34

visit the television without pity forums from

Leif: 00:35:36

2009. Hello there,

Leif: 00:35:39

Peabody here. And this is the wayback machine

Leif: 00:35:42

for traveling through time. And this is my boy,

Leif: 00:35:44

Sherman.

Steve: 00:35:46

Speak, Sherman. Hello.

Leif: 00:35:47

Good boy. You got mixed opinions on

Leif: 00:35:50

what Blair did, but universal dislike for

Leif: 00:35:53

what Ms. Carr was doing.

Steve: 00:35:55

Yes. Objectively wrong.

Leif: 00:35:57

Some people were down on Blair for spreading

Leif: 00:36:00

rumors that were not true. But some people were

Leif: 00:36:03

completely supported.

Steve: 00:36:04

It is not okay to spread rumors that aren't

Steve: 00:36:07

true. The rumor there was

Steve: 00:36:10

smoke where that turned into fire.

Leif: 00:36:12

Yeah. They actually like that Dan is stepping out of

Leif: 00:36:15

character and doing a Chuck like storyline.

Steve: 00:36:19

Okay. I guess it's a

Steve: 00:36:22

little Chuck like, while Chuck is doing

Steve: 00:36:25

a dumb like storyline.

Leif: 00:36:27

Hoping this is the end of Dan and Serena.

Steve: 00:36:30

no, it can't be. Here's why.

Steve: 00:36:33

Lily and Rufus are together now. Right. If Lily

Steve: 00:36:36

and Lily and Rufus stay together, which I

Steve: 00:36:38

feel like they've gotten to here, I don't see why they wouldn't.

Steve: 00:36:41

If Lily and Rufus are together next

Steve: 00:36:44

season, by next season, something has to happen

Steve: 00:36:47

with Dan. And Serena. Because if they're all living under the.

Leif: 00:36:50

Same roof, well, they're way off the college

Leif: 00:36:53

next year.

Steve: 00:36:54

Oh, yeah. They are moving. Yeah. They haven't had the

Steve: 00:36:57

awkward, full awkwardness of the parents

Steve: 00:37:00

and them in a good place. And

Steve: 00:37:03

I feel like that has to happen before Dan and

Steve: 00:37:06

Serena were actually tied off.

Steve: 00:37:10

So I do. I can't imagine this is the end of

Steve: 00:37:12

Dan and Serena.

Leif: 00:37:14

We can only hope.

Steve: 00:37:15

We could hope. We could hope. Dorota's

Steve: 00:37:18

love always heart

Steve: 00:37:21

emoji eyes.

Leif: 00:37:22

Love the costume and love the side eyeing

Leif: 00:37:25

Blair.

Steve: 00:37:25

Yes. I love how aware Dorota is

Steve: 00:37:28

of how much of an asshole Blair is.

Leif: 00:37:31

The forums definitely pointed out the age of consent in New York

Leif: 00:37:34

is 17.

Steve: 00:37:35

Most states have a caveat that it

Steve: 00:37:38

like police Officers can't date 17 year olds

Steve: 00:37:41

and teachers can't date 17 year olds. Public officials

Steve: 00:37:44

can't date 17 year olds. There is like a

Steve: 00:37:47

professional thing

Steve: 00:37:49

in there.

Leif: 00:37:50

Eager, eagerly awaiting Blair's revenge

Leif: 00:37:53

on Nelly.

Steve: 00:37:55

Yeah, that's going to be juicy. Well,

Steve: 00:37:58

it should be.

Leif: 00:38:00

Nelly seems like she's, She's winning here.

Steve: 00:38:02

Nelly's a competitor. Could Nelly usurp

Steve: 00:38:05

Blair and become the new queen?

Leif: 00:38:07

Well, school almost over.

Steve: 00:38:09

She have five minutes at the end.

Leif: 00:38:11

Her. Her. Her wedding is getting at the Yale.

Leif: 00:38:14

Blair doesn't.

Steve: 00:38:15

Yeah. Which I'm really. I'm really starting to feel

Steve: 00:38:18

that has to happen because they can't all go to Yale.

Steve: 00:38:21

They can't leave the Upper east side.

Leif: 00:38:23

No one's a fan of the Chuck storyline.

Steve: 00:38:25

No.

Leif: 00:38:26

And Nate and Vanessa. Cute, but pointless.

Steve: 00:38:29

Again, I'm good with it. I. Stan. Nate.

Steve: 00:38:32

I love seeing Nate happy, even with

Steve: 00:38:35

Vanessa.

Leif: 00:38:36

Let's go ahead and move over to some episode

Leif: 00:38:39

grades.

Leif: 00:38:43

What do you got this week, Steve?

Steve: 00:38:44

I went low. I gave this a D plus. I

Steve: 00:38:47

thought this was maybe the worst episode

Steve: 00:38:50

we've seen so far. I thought that

Steve: 00:38:53

aside from the plot lines that I thought were just

Steve: 00:38:56

kind of dull and uninspired, I thought

Steve: 00:38:59

the writing to get through them wasn't good.

Steve: 00:39:02

I thought again, weird directorial

Steve: 00:39:04

choices, especially with the Chuck

Steve: 00:39:07

stuff. The. Why is he coming down the

Steve: 00:39:09

stairs? Why? Just so many weird

Steve: 00:39:12

things. Yeah, I hated this.

Leif: 00:39:14

Yeah. A lot of that stuff with Chuck was an attempt at

Leif: 00:39:17

an homage to Eyes Wide Shut. Eyes Wide Shut Never

Leif: 00:39:20

seen. I said a lot of those shots.

Steve: 00:39:22

Looked like that movie did it. Yeah.

Leif: 00:39:24

But that. Ah, that story definitely brought down.

Leif: 00:39:27

Other than I actually like this episode. Other than that storyline,

Leif: 00:39:30

it would have been like a B, but that brought it down to a C plus

Leif: 00:39:33

for me.

Steve: 00:39:34

I think that the triggering nature of the teacher

Steve: 00:39:36

storylines for me, that probably also

Steve: 00:39:39

really worked into that.

Leif: 00:39:41

I mean, I hate that they did it, but I think it

Leif: 00:39:44

was. I mean, yes, you would have liked to see him

Leif: 00:39:47

villainize it more, but I think it was a good,

Leif: 00:39:49

dramatic storyline.

Steve: 00:39:51

I get it.

Leif: 00:39:52

On the stock flash, who you got going up?

Steve: 00:39:55

Nate, Vanessa, Nelly. That's it. Nate and

Steve: 00:39:58

Vanessa are happy and enjoying life, and Nelly

Steve: 00:40:01

Yuki just got the upper hand on, Blair.

Leif: 00:40:03

I just couldn't give Nate, Vanessa, anything because they just

Leif: 00:40:07

didn't give anything. So they're just neutral me.

Steve: 00:40:10

That's fair.

Leif: 00:40:11

But I did have Nelly Yuki. I had

Leif: 00:40:13

Dorota for being a, you know, carrying

Leif: 00:40:16

Blair.

Steve: 00:40:17

Yeah.

Leif: 00:40:17

As usual. And I gave it to Rufus because

Leif: 00:40:20

you and I. He was an as usual. He was kind of right in the

Leif: 00:40:23

end.

Steve: 00:40:23

He was right in the end. I almost gave it to Rufus. I

Steve: 00:40:26

kept him neutral because of

Steve: 00:40:29

the shitty moments when he wasn't listening to

Steve: 00:40:32

Dan. And then he comes back and has the better

Steve: 00:40:35

moment at the end. So I kept him neutral.

Leif: 00:40:37

Who do you got going down?

Steve: 00:40:38

I have Dan, Serena,

Steve: 00:40:41

Blair, Rachel, and

Steve: 00:40:44

the now disappeared Elle, because she

Steve: 00:40:47

disappeared.

Leif: 00:40:47

For me, the biggest one is obviously Miss. Ms.

Leif: 00:40:50

Carr.

Steve: 00:40:51

Yeah.

Leif: 00:40:51

Blair is. She's.

Leif: 00:40:55

She's not expelled, but she's. Yeah, she's

Leif: 00:40:58

not doing too well here.

Steve: 00:41:00

She lost her dad's respect. Yeah. And

Steve: 00:41:03

that is something, that means a lot to her. She

Steve: 00:41:06

did all of this for her dad's respect.

Leif: 00:41:08

I also gave Chuck going down because he's

Leif: 00:41:11

just running around being an idiot.

Leif: 00:41:14

Serena, because she got broken up with

Leif: 00:41:16

and basically cheated on the other minions.

Leif: 00:41:19

Minus Nelly. All go down. Harold, for

Leif: 00:41:22

just. For not knowing the difference between libel and

Leif: 00:41:25

slander as a lawyer.

Steve: 00:41:28

Fair.

Leif: 00:41:29

And I kept going back and forth on Dan.

Leif: 00:41:33

he got weighed. He got what he wanted, but

Leif: 00:41:36

he did was a bad boyfriend of Serena. So I ended up going

Leif: 00:41:38

down.

Steve: 00:41:39

Yeah. Bad boyfriend to Sabrina and broke up with

Steve: 00:41:42

Serena. That. Yeah, all of that

Steve: 00:41:44

stuff. But here's the best outfits from

Steve: 00:41:47

the last episode we've

Steve: 00:41:50

seen.

Leif: 00:41:52

Who, do you got for the best outfit?

Steve: 00:41:54

I really liked Lily's outfit

Steve: 00:41:57

that she wore to the. To the

Steve: 00:42:00

hearing, where it was like the black

Steve: 00:42:03

on the top with the Greene sort of scarf

Steve: 00:42:06

underneath. I thought that was really cool.

Leif: 00:42:09

So for me, it was a short scene. It was the scene

Leif: 00:42:12

where Serena brings Blair the p. The

Leif: 00:42:16

picture, and Blair is wearing a

Leif: 00:42:18

rosette. Catherine Melodrino, top with a

Leif: 00:42:21

pencil skirt.

Steve: 00:42:22

I almost. I almost went with that one because that

Steve: 00:42:24

was really cool.

Leif: 00:42:26

That is it for segments you got anything to plug this

Leif: 00:42:29

week?

Steve: 00:42:30

this comes out on the 9th, right. So

Steve: 00:42:33

my show at the Christmas Village is already last

Steve: 00:42:36

week. So the main thing,

Steve: 00:42:39

I've been watching the show Shrinking

Steve: 00:42:41

and if you have Apple tv, I

Steve: 00:42:44

highly recommend it. Harrison Ford,

Steve: 00:42:47

Jason Siegel, Jessica Jones. They

Steve: 00:42:50

are amazing. It was created

Steve: 00:42:53

by Bill. I can't think of his last name. He

Steve: 00:42:56

created Scrubs. Yeah, he created

Steve: 00:42:58

Scrubs and some many other

Steve: 00:43:01

towns. Cougar Town. And in

Steve: 00:43:04

fact, it stars the one of the

Steve: 00:43:07

actor from Scrubs and Cougar

Steve: 00:43:09

Town. Ah. Who played Dr.

Steve: 00:43:12

Cox's wife. I can't think of her name.

Leif: 00:43:15

from Drew Careyshe.

Steve: 00:43:17

Yes. Yeah, she was. She's on the show.

Steve: 00:43:20

Ted McGinty is her husband. So, they

Steve: 00:43:23

jumped the shark on episode one and Ted

Steve: 00:43:26

McGinty on that show is my spirit animal.

Steve: 00:43:28

He's amazing.

Leif: 00:43:30

So check out Shrinking if you want to follow

Leif: 00:43:33

me. I am on Instagram and

Leif: 00:43:35

bluesky@hotcapicola. That's

Leif: 00:43:38

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Leif: 00:43:41

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Leif: 00:43:44

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Leif: 00:43:53

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Leif: 00:43:56

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Steve: 00:43:59

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Steve: 00:44:02

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Steve: 00:44:03

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Steve: 00:44:06

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Steve: 00:44:09

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Steve: 00:44:13

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Steve: 00:44:16

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Steve: 00:44:37

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Leif: 00:44:41

And we will be back next week to talk about season

Leif: 00:44:44

two, episode 18,

Leif: 00:44:47

the age of Dissidents.

Leif: 00:44:50

The Netflix episode description reads,

Leif: 00:44:53

the seniors put on a production of the Age of Innocence.

Leif: 00:44:56

Chuck enlist help from an unlikely source.

Steve: 00:44:59

Oh boy, oh

Steve: 00:45:02

boy play.

Leif: 00:45:03

Sounds fun though.

Steve: 00:45:04

yeah. Yeah. And probably highly

Steve: 00:45:06

inappropriate for a high school.

Leif: 00:45:10

Well, until next time, you know you love us.

Steve: 00:45:12

Xoxo.

Steve: 00:45:14

Every time you walk away, run away, you take a

Steve: 00:45:17

piece of me with you there.

Steve: 00:45:20

Every time you walk away or run away, you take a

Steve: 00:45:23

piece of me with you there

Steve: 00:45:27

every time you walk away and run away you take a piece

Steve: 00:45:30

of me with you there

Steve: 00:45:33

oh, it seems I'm walking right to

Steve: 00:45:36

your.

Steve: 00:45:36

Door.

Steve: 00:45:39

My heart's still resting looking for

Steve: 00:45:42

something more

Steve: 00:45:46

are you ever gonna see everything you mean to

Steve: 00:45:49

me I'm trying really hard to believe

Steve: 00:45:52

every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

Steve: 00:45:55

of me with you there

Steve: 00:45:58

every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

Steve: 00:46:01

of me with you there

Steve: 00:46:05

every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve: 00:46:08

piece of me with you there

Steve: 00:46:11

never feels right when I'm out here on

Steve: 00:46:14

my own

Steve: 00:46:17

I left last night and it feels like

Steve: 00:46:20

way too long

Steve: 00:46:24

are you ever gonna see everything you mean to

Steve: 00:46:27

me I'm trying really hard to believe

Steve: 00:46:31

every time you walk away run away you take a piece

Steve: 00:46:34

of me with you there

Steve: 00:46:37

Every time you walk away run away you take a

Steve: 00:46:40

piece of me with you there

Steve: 00:46:43

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve: 00:46:46

piece of m me with you there

Steve: 00:46:52

come back to me

Steve: 00:46:56

smile and you'll make my life

Steve: 00:46:59

complete

Steve: 00:47:03

every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

Steve: 00:47:06

of me with you there

Steve: 00:47:09

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve: 00:47:12

piece of me with you there

Steve: 00:47:16

every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

Steve: 00:47:19

of me with you there

Steve: 00:47:22

every time you walk away run away you take a

Steve: 00:47:25

piece of me with you there

Steve: 00:47:28

Every time you walk away run away you take a piece

Steve: 00:47:31

of me with you there

Steve: 00:47:35

Every time you walk away run away you take a

Steve: 00:47:38

piece of m me with you there

Steve: 00:47:41

Every time you walk away or run away you take a piece

Steve: 00:47:44

of me with you there

Steve: 00:47:48

Every time you walk away or run away you take a

Steve: 00:47:50

piece of me with you there.